Kindle for pc version 1.25?

Iris-maybe · 11-18-2018, 09:09 PM

Amazon Kindle has released the Kindle for pc version 1.25. Is this true?
Some of my Kindle books can not be decrypted!

Shad Plante · 11-18-2018, 09:43 PM

I know that jhowell has been stating that Amazon was changing the DRM in KFX files in Kindle for PC and the change would cause the DeDRM plugin to stop working. He predicts they will make the same change to the Kindle firmware soon.

jhowell · 11-18-2018, 10:00 PM

Kindle for PC/Mac version 1.25 is being slowly rolled out as an update. Amazon does this to make sure that there are no major problems before releasing new versions to all customers.

Changes from the What's New screen are:

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Kindle for PC:
1. Collections management: Search collections by name and sort collections by name or last update.
2. Bug fixes and performance improvements.

Kindle for Mac:
1. Support for 64-bit.
2. Study features: Updated Notebook panel that allows you to view your notes, highlights, and bookmarks side-by-side with your book. You can also export your notes and automatically create flashcards from your Notebook content.
3. Collections management: Search collections by name and sort collections by name or last update.
4. Bug fixes and performance improvements.

As you have discovered this new version also contains changes that make it incompatible with the existing DeDRM software.

The main download page is currently still delivering K4PC version 1.24.3. I recommend downloading and installing that version and then turning off the option to automatically install further updates.

You may want to check out this thread for other workarounds.

jhowell · 11-18-2018, 11:14 PM

I think it is odd that they went to the trouble to make some improvements to the management of collections in the new K4PC version, but still do not support cloud collections synced with your Amazon account. There continue to be other odd omissions such as Arabic language books and Indic language dictionaries.

stuartjmz · 11-18-2018, 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by jhowell

There continue to be other odd omissions such as Arabic language books and Indic language dictionaries.

If amazon offered a Kindle version of Platt's I might even buy another one - searching my paper copy when I can't read nastaliq is hard work

stumped · 11-19-2018, 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Shad Plante

I know that jhowell has been stating that Amazon was changing the DRM in KFX files in Kindle for PC and the change would cause the DeDRM plugin to stop working. He predicts they will make the same change to the Kindle firmware soon.

so at that point, buying the latest kindle will mean it receives some " KFX2 " format that will be uncrackable for a while ?, and there will be a scramble for older models

a bit like printer wars, where suddenly a firmware upgrade forces you to stop buying compatible inks, or to go source an older printer.

hopefully it it technically difficult to push such a kindle firmware update without making books on already device unreadable, and that may slow down such plans

AFAIK it is a lot harder to stop you kindle from updating, yet still have book downloads & whispersync working, than it is to block K for PC updates

DuckieTigger · 11-19-2018, 06:20 AM

How does that new DRM effect eink Kindles, especially older ones that won't get any updates anymore?

jhowell · 11-19-2018, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by stumped

hopefully it it technically difficult to push such a kindle firmware update without making books on already device unreadable, and that may slow down such plans

It is very easy for old and new DRM schemes to coexist so that when the firmware is updated any books already on the device are still readable but any new books sent to the device will use the new DRM. That is how the new Kindle for PC 1.25 works.

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Originally Posted by DuckieTigger

How does that new DRM effect eink Kindles, especially older ones that won't get any updates anymore?

Amazon can't use the new DRM with firmware that predates it so older Kindles and those with firmware updates blocked or without Internet access will not be affected. The latest 5.10.x firmware apparently does not support the new DRM. The next release probably will.

As far as I know the new DRM only affects KFX format and KFX can be avoided by e-ink Kindle owners running any firmware version using the "Download and transfer via USB" function from Amazon's website. Whether this will continue to be true with devices running future firmware depends on how serious Amazon is about closing DRM loopholes.

stumped · 11-19-2018, 11:45 AM

i appreciate this is all speculation but... lets says amazon push a new firmware to existing paperwhites, that supports the new "hardened" DRM. Are amazon then smart enough to detect that my e -ink device(s) are now updated and thus deliver only the new format to me via the download and transfer route, or will they not know if I have deliberately kept my PW offline to avoid getting the upgrade ?

and they can't know for sure that I sold off my old Kindle basic on ebay, unless they run database checks to see what SNs have been re-registered with new owners.

and are there any predictions of when any such firmware may be rolled out ? or when they may block the old version 1.7 of K for PC which is what I use to get copies of my bought books into calibre

j.p.s · 11-19-2018, 12:07 PM

Presumably, the new firmware would request the new format.

stumped · 11-19-2018, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by j.p.s

Presumably, the new firmware would request the new format.

Duh!

Of course.

Except for the download and transfer route, which I suppose they could kill off. I suppose that exists for devices with broken WiFi ?

jhowell · 11-19-2018, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by stumped

Are amazon then smart enough to detect that my e -ink device(s) are now updated and thus deliver only the new format to me via the download and transfer route, or will they not know if I have deliberately kept my PW offline to avoid getting the upgrade?

Amazon will know that you have updated your firmware if your device is ever allowed to connect back to them. Very few Kindle owners would be happy keeping their device permanently offline since that reduces its functionality significantly.

There is at least one case of this sort of thing happening in the past. When the Kindle 3 was originally released it had support for MOBI, but not KF8 (azw3) format. A firmware update added that support later. Amazon keeps track of what firmware was last seen on each of those devices and delivers the appropriate format when Download and Transfer via USB is used.

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Originally Posted by stumped

and they can't know for sure that I sold off my old Kindle basic on ebay, unless they run database checks to see what SNs have been re-registered with new owners.

Amazon will not allow a device to be registered to a new account until it has been deregistered from the old one.

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Originally Posted by stumped

and are there any predictions of when any such firmware may be rolled out?

Amazon has been rolling out Kindle updates approximately quarterly. I would expect the next version in January or thereabouts.

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Originally Posted by stumped

or when they may block the old version 1.7 of K for PC which is what I use to get copies of my bought books into calibre

In the past Amazon was aggressive about preventing older versions of Kindle for PC from working but as far as I know they still currently allow version 1.14 and later to work with their servers. (That is the last version that will run on Windows XP.) I have no idea what they will do once version 1.25 becomes more established.

Quoth · 11-19-2018, 02:21 PM

My last version on XP worked on Wine on Linux, but they killed that.
The newer versions won't install on WINE. Since I discovered that the Kindle App on Android is "spyware" and took it off my phone and tablet I don't worry about the Kindle PC app not installing on WINE. I use a non-spying ePub reader on phone & tablet.
I use my real eInk Kindle's serial number in Calibre and read all Amazon eBooks on my Kobo H20 (original) or Sony PRS350. I preview on the Calibre eReader program on Linux.
Only a small percentage of my books are Amazon eBooks anyway. However Harlequin Barnes & Noble (Nook) are worse. They don't allow apps at all now? Aren't B&N nook ebooks now put on a hidden partition?
I support copyright, I don't "share" or "upload" copyright material, but I'm glad I don't live in USA with their toxic DRM & DMCA laws that are contrary to International Copyright conventions.

DiapDealer · 11-19-2018, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by FrustratedReader

Since I discovered that the Kindle App on Android is "spyware" and took it off my phone and tablet...

Is the android version more spy-ish than the Kindle App for any platform? Or any Kindle device, for that matter? Just curious why you singled out the Android app as "spyware."

AnemicOak · 11-19-2018, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by stumped

Except for the download and transfer route, which I suppose they could kill off. I suppose that exists for devices with broken WiFi ?

Or old models like my Kindle 2(us). The Sprint 3G on this model no longer works to connect to Amazon and they didn't put WiFi on Kindles back then.

11-18-2018, 09:09 PM	#1
Iris-maybe Member Posts: 23 Karma: 10 Join Date: Sep 2017 Device: kindle paperwhite2	Kindle for pc version 1.25? Amazon Kindle has released the Kindle for pc version 1.25. Is this true? Some of my Kindle books can not be decrypted!

11-19-2018, 11:45 AM	#9
stumped Wizard Posts: 3,305 Karma: 10259306 Join Date: May 2016 Device: kobo forma, Kobo Libra, Huawei media Tab, fire HD10, PW3 HDX8.9,	i appreciate this is all speculation but... lets says amazon push a new firmware to existing paperwhites, that supports the new "hardened" DRM. Are amazon then smart enough to detect that my e -ink device(s) are now updated and thus deliver only the new format to me via the download and transfer route, or will they not know if I have deliberately kept my PW offline to avoid getting the upgrade ? and they can't know for sure that I sold off my old Kindle basic on ebay, unless they run database checks to see what SNs have been re-registered with new owners. and are there any predictions of when any such firmware may be rolled out ? or when they may block the old version 1.7 of K for PC which is what I use to get copies of my bought books into calibre Last edited by stumped; 11-19-2018 at 11:49 AM.

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11-18-2018, 09:43 PM	#2
Shad Plante Groupie Posts: 160 Karma: 1822810 Join Date: Oct 2017 Device: 6th Gen Kindle Paperwhite	I know that jhowell has been stating that Amazon was changing the DRM in KFX files in Kindle for PC and the change would cause the DeDRM plugin to stop working. He predicts they will make the same change to the Kindle firmware soon.

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jhowell Grand Sorcerer Posts: 6,496 Karma: 84420419 Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Tampa Bay, Florida Device: Kindles	I think it is odd that they went to the trouble to make some improvements to the management of collections in the new K4PC version, but still do not support cloud collections synced with your Amazon account. There continue to be other odd omissions such as Arabic language books and Indic language dictionaries.

11-19-2018, 06:20 AM	#7
DuckieTigger Wizard Posts: 4,742 Karma: 246906703 Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: USA Device: Oasis 3, Oasis 2, PW3, PW1, KT	How does that new DRM effect eink Kindles, especially older ones that won't get any updates anymore?

11-19-2018, 12:07 PM	#10
j.p.s Grand Sorcerer Posts: 5,275 Karma: 98804578 Join Date: Apr 2011 Device: pb360	Presumably, the new firmware would request the new format.

11-19-2018, 02:21 PM	#13
Quoth the rook, bossing Never. Posts: 11,091 Karma: 85874891 Join Date: Jun 2017 Location: Ireland Device: All 4 Kinds: epub eink, Kindle, android eink, NxtPaper11	My last version on XP worked on Wine on Linux, but they killed that. The newer versions won't install on WINE. Since I discovered that the Kindle App on Android is "spyware" and took it off my phone and tablet I don't worry about the Kindle PC app not installing on WINE. I use a non-spying ePub reader on phone & tablet. I use my real eInk Kindle's serial number in Calibre and read all Amazon eBooks on my Kobo H20 (original) or Sony PRS350. I preview on the Calibre eReader program on Linux. Only a small percentage of my books are Amazon eBooks anyway. However Harlequin Barnes & Noble (Nook) are worse. They don't allow apps at all now? Aren't B&N nook ebooks now put on a hidden partition? I support copyright, I don't "share" or "upload" copyright material, but I'm glad I don't live in USA with their toxic DRM & DMCA laws that are contrary to International Copyright conventions.

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