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Old 06-15-2017, 10:25 AM   #1
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Phones. User creates his own content on his phone. For example, they take pictures. If these pictures could only be seen on that phone, would that phone remain an attraction? User knows that their pictures can be saved from the phone to computer. User loves his phone and content for this reason. The content user creates is device independent.

There are also e-reader devices. They are used to create personal e-library.

Devices are ensure user to take notes on book. User can highlight text in book. Users can list bookmarks, easily access that part of book. This is a nice feature. User is creating his own content. But, this content is imprisoned on the device. User can not see this content on the other device. They can save books to other device. But they can not save notes of books. Whereas, the content that the user creates must be device independent.

This seems to be the single big drawback of these devices.

The manufacturers can reach a compromise. E-Reader manufacturers can establish a standard between them to save bookmarks. User can save these bookmark files to each device. Books will appear on each device, along with their notes, highlights. The content is preserved even when device needs to be restored to factory settings. Would not it be nice!

I think some producers are enthusiastic about this. But some of them do not want to do anything, especially in this regard. Because they want their devices to become widespread. They wants their book formats to become standard in the world. For example, I do not think that the most known manufacturer will be very enthusiastic. Some producers think that users have not yet had such a demand.

Over time, all e-readers will be able to connect to Google Play. Reader programs on Google Play work on every device. Some ensure access to books and their notes, from each device. For this reason, the user prefers it. So, those programs will become standardized over time. If producers can not establish a standard between them, it looks like this will eventually happen.

A user may be using Internet Explorer. But, now he may want to try Google Chrome. What will be the internet bookmarks that have accumulated over the years? Should user forget them? Of course no! Between Internet Explorer and Google Chrome, bookmarks can easily be moved. The producers set a transport standard among them for the carriage of their bookmarks. Of course, users loved it. Actually, the producers loved it too. The manufacturer will want to promote its internet browser. The user will not want to give up their own bookmarks. By providing this method, the manufacturer makes it easier to advertise its own internet browser. They provide it easier for users to experiment with their products.

Yes, other manufacturers can set a standard when necessary. Even at an industry, where competition is most intense, can be a compromise. This may also occur for books! This will be great for book readers. And it will be good for producers. The manufacturer who can advertise in "you have the freedom to carry your library, completely complete, to this device" will succeed in attracting the user's attention.

When e-book industry will more matures, I think the standard will be created.

Really, do not users have such a demand?

What do you think about it?
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What do I think about what? Your post is about everything.
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Old 06-15-2017, 11:42 AM   #3
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First paragraphs are written as an introduction to the subject. It was written as an example.
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Old 06-15-2017, 12:18 PM   #4
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What do I think about what?

Your post is rather unfocused and wanders into all sorts of territory.

Please state what you wish to discuss.
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Over time, all e-readers will be able to connect to Google Play. Reader programs on Google Play work on every device.
Are you under the misapprehension that all reading devices run the Android operating system, or even that it would be a good idea for them to do so? There are significant disadvantages to Android.
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Devices are ensure user to take notes on book. User can highlight text in book. Users can list bookmarks, easily access that part of book. This is a nice feature. User is creating his own content. But, this content is imprisoned on the device. User can not see this content on the other device. They can save books to other device. But they can not save notes of books. Whereas, the content that the user creates must be device independent.
Highlights done on Kindle books are accessible on the Amazon site. From there, they can be copy and pasted in to a word processing document. If you have more than one device, those notes and highlights can also sync to other devices on the account.

There are ways to obtain notes made on Kobo devices also.

Backing up browser bookmarks can easily be done on all major browsers.

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Dedicated E-readers are not android tablets. They can't run apps.
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Old 06-15-2017, 01:50 PM   #7
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I assume that you are discussing the ability to share user data (notes and highlights) between reading apps. I think that it is a far different scenario than importing browser bookmarks.

The investment in books makes it difficult for users to move between the various walled garden e-reading ecosystems, such as Amazon, Kobo and B&N. Only a small percentage of users are going to be willing to put up with issues of DRM removal and format shifting. Of those an even smaller percentage takes advantage of the note taking features of the reading app. So there is very little incentive to the developers of those apps to implement importing this data from their competitors, even when it is technically possible.
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I'll give you an example.

Books in Kobo can be synchronized in Kobo programs. Books in Nook can be synchronized in Nook programs.

But books on Nook can not be synchronized with books on Kobo.

Suppose you own a Nook. But, you bought a new Kobo.

You can move your books from Nook to Kobo. But, you can not move books from Nook to Kobo with book's highligths. Your old highligts text in the book do not appear in Kobo.

When you move your books to your new e-book reader, you also want to see your old book's highlights.

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I assume that you are discussing the ability to share user data (notes and highlights) between reading apps. I think that it is a far different scenario than importing browser bookmarks.

The investment in books makes it difficult for users to move between the various walled garden e-reading ecosystems, such as Amazon, Kobo and B&N. Only a small percentage of users are going to be willing to put up with issues of DRM removal and format shifting. Of those an even smaller percentage takes advantage of the note taking features of the reading app. So there is very little incentive to the developers of those apps to implement importing this data from their competitors, even when it is technically possible.
Yes, that's the subject. I gave Internet browsers as an example. At least this can be at ePub books.

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You can move your books from Nook to Kobo. But, you can not move books from Nook to Kobo with books highligths. Your old text highligts in the book do not appear in Kobo.
You are still assuming that the user is going to take the trouble to move the books between systems, removing any DRM in the process. I do not believe either B&N or Kobo want to encourage that behavior.

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You are still assuming that the user is going to take the trouble to move the books between systems, removing any DRM in the process. I believe neither B&N or Kobo want to encourage that behavior.
I know they are generally reluctant. But, it may be possible for ePub books that use Adobe DRM.
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I'll give you an example.

Books in Kobo can be synchronized in Kobo programs. Books in Nook can be synchronized in Nook programs.

But books on Nook can not be synchronized with books on Kobo.

Suppose you own a Nook. But, you bought a new Kobo.

You can move your books from Nook to Kobo. But, you can not move books from Nook to Kobo with book's highligths. Your old highligts text in the book do not appear in Kobo.

When you move your books to your new e-book reader, you also want to see your old book's highlights.
This makes much more sense than your long post. Short, sweet and to the point.

Your theory is a bit off for a couple of reasons.
The first being most consumers buy in one garden so they are not worried about their highlights and stuff.
Second being the consumers that buy in more than one garden, usually know about format shifting and how to save their highlights to an accessible place (computer, dropbox, Google drive, cloud of their choice).
So it is really a non-issue amongst the majority of readers.

Your first post was unique but quite random for the ultimate discussion you wanted.
I think your browser example was just fluff. I thought you were trying to compare but this is not a high school or college freshman class.
Rather than a question, your first post came off as a lecture on general computer sharing.
You will find that (I would guess) at least 80% of the posters that will respond to this kind of thread have at least one college degree if not more. Probably more. I do believe we have at least 2 PhD's at Mobileread and I think more than that.

Now I have babbled long enough so have a nice day.

I think my 80% estimate may have been way low. It may be closer to 100%.

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The problem with Android is that most reading apps thing they know better and override the CSS and there's no way not to.
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The problem with Android is that most reading apps thing they know better and override the CSS and there's no way not to.
And that's a good thing

A book with no way to override any of the publisher display choices is made out of paper (Possibly a pdf as well), one of the main advantages of eBooks is that you can change the settings to suit yourself.
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Second being the consumers that buy in more than one garden, usually know about format shifting and how to save their highlights to an accessible place (computer, dropbox, Google drive, cloud of their choice).
So it is really a non-issue amongst the majority of readers.
Assume that we have removed the book's DRM using Calibre. We can turn the book into the file format we want. Then we can start reading with Moon Reader. Moon Reader allows you to back up to DropBox. I tried it on different devices. Unfortunately, it was not able to synchronize properly. So it's not very secure.

Therefore, the most definitive solution is for manufacturers to set a standard. But they will not be willing. :-)

Tell us! How are you doing it? What program are you using?

The text may have been a little long for some. But, it is quite descriptive. :-)
Users will like to see the content they create in books, in every device. Just as they love to see other content they create, in every device.
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