Wake up BOOKEEN!!! and Smell the - Page 3

HarryT · 03-22-2009, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Ralph Sir Edward

But an upgrade would have to be able to retrofit to the earlier models. The PR would be terrible if you couldn't get all the new features on eariler Cybook builds.

It wouldn't particularly bother me, to tell you the truth. I'd do what I did when Bookeen replaced the 64MB model with 512MB without notice - sell my current one and buy a new one. They generally fetch good 2nd-hand prices; one can upgrade for a relatively modest outlay.

tompe · 03-22-2009, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Ralph Sir Edward

But an upgrade would have to be able to retrofit to the earlier models. The PR would be terrible if you couldn't get all the new features on eariler Cybook builds.

Yes, if the device is called the same. If they want to make them incompatible they have to give them different name.

GeoffC · 03-22-2009, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by tompe

Yes, if the device is called the same. If they want to make them incompatible they have to give them different name.

So, logically that would be Gen4 ?

Abelturd · 03-22-2009, 12:11 PM

IMHO this is not a question of HW. It's not as if cybook was running memory and processor power demanding real-time calculations of 3D matrices or had to multitask several processes at a time. I was running a linux distro on a 33 mhz 486sx with 4 mb of memory and if worked fine. So I don't understand why should 16mb and 200 mhz not be enough for a single simple task the cybook is meant to do. Sure, if you don't optimize your software, you end up wasting hw resources and the overall performance will be crappy. Please, the active developers here may feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that gen3 has more than enough resources even for stuff like onscreen keyboard, searches and all the stuff the pocketbook fw has and all the bells and whistles Sir Ralph was talking about.

HarryT · 03-22-2009, 12:16 PM

Apparently Adobe DE requires a lot of memory to render ePub. It has been suggested that it will not be possible to add ePub to machines with 16MB RAM. Whether or not those suggestions have a basis in fact, time will tell.

tompe · 03-22-2009, 12:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HarryT

Apparently Adobe DE requires a lot of memory to render ePub. It has been suggested that it will not be possible to add ePub to machines with 16MB RAM. Whether or not those suggestions have a basis in fact, time will tell.

A particular implementation might have problem but that does not say that the task cannot be solved.

Abelturd · 03-22-2009, 12:29 PM

All right, I admit it might require a lot of memory, but for crying out loud, epub is just a xml file, tags and text, why does it have such high memory requirements if it basically does the same what mobi prc already does, especially considering the limitations of a 6" device. You can't really render complicated formatting on that, so why do we need such elaborate toolbox for such an easy task.

tompe · 03-22-2009, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Abelturd

All right, I admit it might require a lot of memory, but for crying out loud, epub is just a xml file, tags and text, why does it have such high memory requirements if it basically does the same what mobi prc already does, especially considering the limitations of a 6" device. You can't really render complicated formatting on that, so why do we need such elaborate toolbox for such an easy task.

Because the toolbox is written by bad programmers that learned Java as their first language?

So I agree with your point.

FizzyWater · 03-23-2009, 01:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Ralph Sir Edward

But an upgrade would have to be able to retrofit to the earlier models. The PR would be terrible if you couldn't get all the new features on eariler Cybook builds.

You mean like when the ePub added to the Sony 505, but not the 500? I suspect Cybook would survive the grumbling, too.

That doesn't mean I like it - it just means I'm a cynic.

brudigia · 03-23-2009, 02:13 AM

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Originally Posted by FizzyWater

You mean like when the ePub added to the Sony 505, but not the 500? I suspect Cybook would survive the grumbling, too.

That doesn't mean I like it - it just means I'm a cynic.

But that was 500 and 505, acknowledged as two different devices. With Bookeen, they are all Gen3, there have never been (at least officially) two different models, thus they should be at least morally responsible for providing the same FW for the Gen3 (the only one existing, of course)

YGG- · 03-23-2009, 04:44 AM

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Originally Posted by GeoffC

Wake up guys, the Cybook is good as a reading device !!!!!
That's all I ever wanted from it ...... sheesh is no one happy ...... ?????

Same here!

kacir · 03-23-2009, 05:37 AM

Look at the video at the bottom of the page.
Absolutely great functionality.

At the end of the video they invite you to come to
http://bookland.net.ua/
to legaly buy books.
Go ahead and check the site.
The prices are in Ukrainian Grivnas, and you can get the price in your favourite currency using google by searching for:
34 ukrainian money in EUR
or
0.75 ukrainian money in USD

A typical book is in
epub, fb2, isilo, lit, pdf, prc, rb, rtf, txt
format

Tell me, how many people would spend considerable resources downloading book with crappy formatting and many OCR errors from ... aehm ... "darknet" if they could buy it (DRM free, tailored for their device) for prices ranging from 10 cents to 5 dollars with vast majority of books priced below $1.5?

Abelturd · 03-23-2009, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by HarryT

Some time this year, it would appear. On the firmware of current CyBooks, the "About" screen shows the CPU speed. Those machines bought in January show "200MHz"; current CyBooks show "400MHz".

So that means that new cybooks are the EB-600 model?
The fact that bookeen hasn't announced a step-up from the eb100 is intriguing. I'm probably getting on everyone's nerves by now drawing comparisons with pocketbook. But still, they have two different versions of FW for 301 and 301+ the difference between which is basically the same as between old cybooks and these new ones with 400 mhz processors.
Could this mean that bookeen is going to come out with two different FW versions?

EowynCarter · 03-25-2009, 08:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HarryT

Some time this year, it would appear. On the firmware of current CyBooks, the "About" screen shows the CPU speed. Those machines bought in January show "200MHz"; current CyBooks show "400MHz".

So, mine should be a 200.

Quote:

But an upgrade would have to be able to retrofit to the earlier models. The PR would be terrible if you couldn't get all the new features on eariler Cybook builds.

If it dosen't, they better provide me with a new device. Now what !
What does PR means anyway ?
I'm already felling on that one, but that would make me go from "happy customer , love bookeeen" to "extremly unhappy, next reader won't be a Cybook."

Patricia · 03-25-2009, 09:43 AM

PR = public relations.

03-23-2009, 05:37 AM	#42
kacir Wizard Posts: 3,450 Karma: 10484861 Join Date: May 2006 Device: PocketBook 360, before it was Sony Reader, cassiopeia A-20	Look at the video at the bottom of the page. Absolutely great functionality. At the end of the video they invite you to come to http://bookland.net.ua/ to legaly buy books. Go ahead and check the site. The prices are in Ukrainian Grivnas, and you can get the price in your favourite currency using google by searching for: 34 ukrainian money in EUR or 0.75 ukrainian money in USD A typical book is in epub, fb2, isilo, lit, pdf, prc, rb, rtf, txt format Tell me, how many people would spend considerable resources downloading book with crappy formatting and many OCR errors from ... aehm ... "darknet" if they could buy it (DRM free, tailored for their device) for prices ranging from 10 cents to 5 dollars with vast majority of books priced below $1.5? Last edited by kacir; 03-23-2009 at 06:33 AM.

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03-22-2009, 12:11 PM	#34
Abelturd Little Fuzzy Soldier Posts: 580 Karma: 5711 Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Nowhere in particular. Device: cybook gen3, htc hero, ipaq 214	IMHO this is not a question of HW. It's not as if cybook was running memory and processor power demanding real-time calculations of 3D matrices or had to multitask several processes at a time. I was running a linux distro on a 33 mhz 486sx with 4 mb of memory and if worked fine. So I don't understand why should 16mb and 200 mhz not be enough for a single simple task the cybook is meant to do. Sure, if you don't optimize your software, you end up wasting hw resources and the overall performance will be crappy. Please, the active developers here may feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that gen3 has more than enough resources even for stuff like onscreen keyboard, searches and all the stuff the pocketbook fw has and all the bells and whistles Sir Ralph was talking about.

03-22-2009, 12:16 PM	#35
HarryT eBook Enthusiast Posts: 85,544 Karma: 93383043 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: UK Device: Kindle Oasis 2, iPad Pro 10.5", iPhone 6	Apparently Adobe DE requires a lot of memory to render ePub. It has been suggested that it will not be possible to add ePub to machines with 16MB RAM. Whether or not those suggestions have a basis in fact, time will tell.

03-22-2009, 12:29 PM	#37
Abelturd Little Fuzzy Soldier Posts: 580 Karma: 5711 Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Nowhere in particular. Device: cybook gen3, htc hero, ipaq 214	All right, I admit it might require a lot of memory, but for crying out loud, epub is just a xml file, tags and text, why does it have such high memory requirements if it basically does the same what mobi prc already does, especially considering the limitations of a 6" device. You can't really render complicated formatting on that, so why do we need such elaborate toolbox for such an easy task.

03-25-2009, 09:43 AM	#45
Patricia Reader Posts: 11,504 Karma: 8720163 Join Date: May 2007 Location: South Wales, UK Device: Sony PRS-500, PRS-505, Asus EEEpc 4G	PR = public relations.

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