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I'd *love* to see the US decide to retroactively limit copyright to the Berne convention minimums, and throw everything registered by a corporation before 1960 into the public domain, deal with Life+50 for personally-authored works. Expect an increasing number of bizarre copyright law attempts as Steamboat Willy gets closer to the public domain, but congressfolks are also being barraged by the problem of orphan works, so "just add another 25 years" no longer seems like a reasonable reaction to their increasingly-vocal net-savvy constituents. Quote:
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Publication + 25 years; extend another 25 for a hefty fee. Unpublished works: Life+25, or publication+25 if published posthumously. Of course, one of the big problems that mainstream media companies haven't touched is "what is publication?"... 50 years ago, that was simple. Now, not so much. Is a locked blog post published? A private email cc'd to 10 people? Code written for a website that's members-only and has no membership? (Company dissolved before it got started, perhaps.) Office memos pinned to corkboards? |
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The book itself is an asset if people buy the book and I assume that is true if people are willing to buy the copyright? A loaf of bread is an asset until you sell it or eat it. A recipe for a loaf of bread is an asset if it allows you to sell more bread. The bread is tangible in that you can hold it, smell it, eat it or throw it out. You cannot do all of these things with the recipe but it lasts a lot longer. And how would you suggest a government(law) treating copyright? Take the case of an author dying at 27 or at 97. Both might have an equal number of published works. Both might be successful or one, or neither. 27 year old author has children, 97 year old author has great grandchildren. All might be affluent or all might be poverty stricken or any combination. If the book becomes popular after the authors death does the reading public have the greater right to read these books for free while the authors dependants or inheritors go without? And how can any agency make these determinations on a case by case situation. Would this not put government employees in charge of individual determinations that they are not all qualified to make at a greater expense to most readers through taxes than the current antiquainted system? I agree with HarryT on this one Helen |
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Since society has some warped view on the definition of property, I'll gladly take the extensions that keep getting tacked onto existing copyright. |
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03-02-2012, 09:36 PM | #111 | |
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But copyright is meaningless without government; copyright is a government-granted limited time monopoly on copying. Unlike physical property, once you let people read a book, there's nothing you can do to prevent them from copying it. You can get the government to enforce your limited time monopoly. Last edited by QuantumIguana; 03-02-2012 at 10:25 PM. |
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If limited copyright is legalized theft, then so is limited patents. This means that every invention which is based on some other invention without permission is theft.
If you really mean that, then give up everything which is based on "stolen" inventions. Don't wear clothes, everything you're wearing was invented by someone. Don't live in houses. No knives, someone invented that. Even fire, the means for starting fires was invented. And if you really think that limited copyright is theft, do you pay for all of your public domain books? And further, if limited copyright is some sort of "warped understanding" of property, then why is copyright of any sort only 300 years old? Last edited by QuantumIguana; 03-02-2012 at 11:11 PM. |
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Perpetual copyright can only work when it is not possible to sell copyrightable goods. Meaning everything is available with varying levels of access fees.
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Copyright is a government-granted exclusive right to copy. Like patents, this protection is given in exchange for the work eventually entering the public domain. It doesn't have anything to do with selling. Both perpetual copyright and no copyright at all are bad ideas. |
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Yes, the selling price is negotiable. The buyer may attempt to come to an agreement with the seller. If they can agree to a price, they make the exchange at that price. If not, no exchange is made.
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If you want to retain perpetual rights over a work of art, then there is an easy way to do it; never publish it. Ever. As it is, copyright is an agreement that is made between authors and the public (via the government) that provides an incentive to publish (limited exclusive rights) in return for agreeing to let the work go into the public domain. If you publish you essentially have become a party of this agreement. Quote:
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Very good. What evidence can you provide to support your assertion? I take it you are necessarily arguing that copyright is primarily a moral rather than a legal concern; just how bad is limited copyright? Is it worse than manslaughter? First degree murder? Serial killing? Genocide? If I give my grandmother a couple of mp3s, is that better or worse than killing puppies? If I confess to my priest that I made a photocopy of a Farside strip to hang up at work, should he consider turning me in? Just how bad is theft itself, anyway? Maybe we should pass a law that punishes shoplifters by cutting their hands off, just to be safe.
Again, care to support your assertion? History suggests that your view is in fact the warped one. I present the writings and opinions of the U.S. Founding Fathers and other Enlightenment figures as evidence. |
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