The king is dead: Can Samsung slay Apple and steal its crown? - Page 3

ebusinesstutor · 08-20-2012, 12:59 AM

I don't think Apple is dying. It will take some time to see if they lose ground.

But I do applaud Samsung's innovativeness with their new products. I have a Galaxy Note and love it and the new Samsung Galaxy Note 10.1 looks like an amazing product with the large screen and build in Wacom tablet.

Hopefully they will continue this trend.

fjtorres · 08-20-2012, 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by wizwor

Maybe for cable, but the vacuum is in over the air. The WSJ says 5.1 million get their tv ota and that should push past 6m this year. Most of the players have left the arena, so there is opportunity. At 6m, though, the market will remain a niche, so competition will not be cut throat.

If Apple wants to own the OTA broadcast TV market they can have it.
The reason nobody is going after it is because there is no extra money in it.

As you say, most of the players have left... because there is no business to be found there other than what the networks make of it.

Also, remember I said MS is trying to get their *own* "cable" over IP operation going. (Rumored name is XBOX LIVE DIAMOND. Just a rumor mind you but there are hints in their SEC filings...) So if you combine that with the LTE wireless 4G data services, MS would have something new for the cable-less 6 million.

My point is Apple isn't just "fashionably late" to the living room wars but outright late-late. Other players are there--not just Microsoft--carving out installed bases with serious products that aren't just a "sort of hobby". Whether via an Apple TV or an STB they will have to get some serious "wow" to get even a toehold in a market aready experiencing a lot of "wow".

Edit: Check out the 2012 versions of high and mid range home theater receivers from Onkyo, Pioneer, and Sony... Or BluRay players from Vizio, Oppo, and others.
It's not just "Smart TVs" and gaming consoles Apple would be contending with.

Teknikal · 08-20-2012, 07:28 AM

I've really went off apple lately every time someone beats them in sales or just makes a better product they immediately run to a local court with some frivolous patent/accusation demanding sales bans.

I think they are losing their support slowly I used to know tons of people with iPhones now I only know one and he doesn't even take it with him anymore.

CommonReader · 08-20-2012, 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by heySkippy

Apple doesn't give a hoot about market share, they are after profit share. By that metric, the competition has a very long way to go to catch up.

Doubt it. The iPhone and the iPad are huge because they basically define the market standard with a gazillion of apps and docking stations available. This advantage would soon be lost if they were niche products.

I am not happy with our Samsung plasma tv as it developed serious image problems after only 2 1/2 years. As to their refrigerators I wonder why I should pay hundreds of Euros more as compared to excellent Bosch/Siemens fridges.

Sil_liS · 08-20-2012, 08:49 AM

Apple isn't dying. The tablet market isn't stable yet, so we can't draw conclusions.

If you want to see a different perspective, read this:

Apple sold 5.7 million iPads in the U.S. last quarter, court docs show. Samsung sold 37,000 Tabs

What is funny about the story is the fact that they were wrong. The numbers were for the tablets that were infringing, not the total number of tablets that Samsung sold in the US. The update did funny things to the perceptions of the people commenting on the story. First they were sure that Samsung was fluffing their worldwide sales numbers because they obviously only sold 37k tablets in the US, and they couldn't have sold more in the rest of the world since the US has the biggest market. After the update they are convinced that the 37k number is false because they don't want to pay too much to Apple for the infringing products.

Bottom line: these are people who will always consider Apple to be king.

murraypaul · 08-20-2012, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Sil_liS

Bottom line: these are people who will always consider Apple to be king.

In the tablet space, at the moment, it is.
That doesn't mean it always will be.

fjtorres · 08-20-2012, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by murraypaul

In the tablet space, at the moment, it is.
That doesn't mean it always will be.

Or that the tablet space will be all that important in a few years.
A couple years back it was all about netbooks, no?

Most of the hyperventilating is over *projections*, not reality.

heySkippy · 08-20-2012, 12:23 PM

It's rare for a company to dominate a product category for very long. Apple did it with the iPod, but I don't think they catch the lightning in a bottle like that again. Too many determined competitors.

IMO that's a good thing. Keen competition means better and cheaper products for all of us.

david_e · 08-20-2012, 08:09 PM

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kennyc · 08-20-2012, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by david_e

And another record-breaking day. Apple stock closed at $665.15, an all-time high, up $17.04 from Friday's close.

Someone must think they are going to win the lawsuit. They're wrong.

Dulin's Books · 08-20-2012, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by HansTWN

You stole my line!

I thought of that 5 minutes ago.

comedy gold right there

ScotiaBurrell · 08-21-2012, 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by kennyc

Someone must think they are going to win the lawsuit. They're wrong.

No. New products released in next 30 days. Lawsuit not matter.

Teknikal · 08-21-2012, 03:59 AM

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Originally Posted by kennyc

Someone must think they are going to win the lawsuit. They're wrong.

I hope they don't but they do run to their local court for a reason, I do believe Apple would lose in most courts worldwide but in America I really expect them to win and did even before the case started solely because they are seen as the American company.

One bit of information I read which I found interesting is that the judge criticises Samsung in front of the Jury but reportedly only criticises Apple when the Jury is out, my guess is more for the benefit of the media and seeming impartial than anything else.

Regardless of the decision though Apple has poked a beehive and this whole patent war is probably only getting started.

kennyc · 08-21-2012, 06:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Teknikal

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Regardless of the decision though Apple has poked a beehive and this whole patent war is probably only getting started.

Yep guaranteed about that. Moto (google) just filed major patent infringment case against Apple.

This is world war III

ScotiaBurrell · 08-21-2012, 10:58 AM

Good thoughts:

Quote:

There's always the opportunity to cut a corner, sacrifice lifestyle quality and suck it up as we race to grab a little more market share.

But the problem with the race to the bottom is that you might win.

You might make a few more bucks for now, but not for long and not with pride. Someone will always find a way to be cheaper or more brutal than you.

http://sethgodin.typepad.com/seths_b...he-bottom.html

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08-20-2012, 12:59 AM	#31
ebusinesstutor Star Gawker Posts: 526 Karma: 6944314 Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Spruce Grove, AB Canada Device: Kindle Paperwhite	I don't think Apple is dying. It will take some time to see if they lose ground. But I do applaud Samsung's innovativeness with their new products. I have a Galaxy Note and love it and the new Samsung Galaxy Note 10.1 looks like an amazing product with the large screen and build in Wacom tablet. Hopefully they will continue this trend.

08-20-2012, 07:28 AM	#33
Teknikal Fanatic Posts: 574 Karma: 5264318 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Belfast Device: Sony T1, Note Pro 12.2, Honor 10	I've really went off apple lately every time someone beats them in sales or just makes a better product they immediately run to a local court with some frivolous patent/accusation demanding sales bans. I think they are losing their support slowly I used to know tons of people with iPhones now I only know one and he doesn't even take it with him anymore.

08-20-2012, 08:49 AM	#35
Sil_liS Wizard Posts: 4,896 Karma: 33602910 Join Date: Oct 2010 Device: PocketBook 903 & 360+	Apple isn't dying. The tablet market isn't stable yet, so we can't draw conclusions. If you want to see a different perspective, read this: Apple sold 5.7 million iPads in the U.S. last quarter, court docs show. Samsung sold 37,000 Tabs What is funny about the story is the fact that they were wrong. The numbers were for the tablets that were infringing, not the total number of tablets that Samsung sold in the US. The update did funny things to the perceptions of the people commenting on the story. First they were sure that Samsung was fluffing their worldwide sales numbers because they obviously only sold 37k tablets in the US, and they couldn't have sold more in the rest of the world since the US has the biggest market. After the update they are convinced that the 37k number is false because they don't want to pay too much to Apple for the infringing products. Bottom line: these are people who will always consider Apple to be king.

08-20-2012, 12:23 PM	#38
heySkippy Groupie Posts: 182 Karma: 1316076 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Florida Device: iPad	It's rare for a company to dominate a product category for very long. Apple did it with the iPod, but I don't think they catch the lightning in a bottle like that again. Too many determined competitors. IMO that's a good thing. Keen competition means better and cheaper products for all of us.

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