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While no reason is given, I feel free to speculate that he might have decided to focus on hitting because it would mean playing every day and thus make it easier to pile up those records he was so determined to set. As for the bat, maybe because he could and because he found the wood? In any case, he'd still have had to hit. |
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What I'm wondering with my cryptic question is why Malamud made the choice to have Roy turn from pitching to hitting during his time in limbo. What does it mean in terms of the story? Why not have him be a hitter from the get-go; the Whammer could have been a hotshot pitcher in their confrontation.
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OK, that makes sense, but it still seems like a drastic change to make just to create symmetry. Even without the pitching/hitting flip, both confrontations are youth vs. age, with youth winning.
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I am curious how much of this is drawn from the real-life baseball player(s) it was allegedly based on.
I can't find much to confirm or deny whether Malamud used Billy Jurges as a model, but he would have been 18 years old when Jurges, a short stop for the Cubs, was shot by a show-girl. Most people assume the book was based largely on Eddie Waitkus, who was shot by an obsessed fan early on in his career. Jurges was shot in '32 and Waitkus in '49. Obviously, Waitkus was famous enough to have stalking fans already and Jurges had won the pennant before he was shot by the showgirl. Maybe it was just a incident that fascinated Malamud enough to work them into his story. Of course, Jurges is more interesting to me as an attorney as he refused to testify against his shooter. She was acquitted and he went on to win more pennants. I find the initial shooting one of the loosest plot points in the book - there seems to be no good reason for it. Roy isn't famous. Granted, it seems he has leered at her quite a bit. But I find the notion that Harriet was obsessed with just shooting the best player to be a bit... thin. |
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Roy must already have been a serious batter at the beginning of the story, as he had Wonderboy with him in the bassoon case. Harriet asked him if he played an instrument.
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Just for Bookpossum, who couldn't be expected to know:
Ignoring recent travesties, baseball doesn't work on the platoon system. Players play both offense and defense, i.e., a pitcher's got to hit. The Babe Ruth references are because Ruth started out as a pitcher with the Boston Red Sox. But he was also a phenomenal hitter and the crux is that pitchers don't pitch every day, but the other players all play every day. When Ruth was sold to the Yankees, he was changed into a hitter for that reason. |
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I know that, but the team deciding Ruth would be more valuable as an everyday player is vastly different from our fictional Roy being a good enough pitcher to get a tryout, then somehow deciding during his fifteen-year hiatus to come back as a hitter. Malamud doesn't offer even a hint of why this happened.
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Thanks for the explanation issybird, and for the article link Catlady.
On Ash's point about why Harriet shot Roy, I wondered if it was because she had talked to him to see if he had anything other than being good at baseball to recommend him. Then of course you can't expect too much in the way of logic with a homicidal maniac. While looking again at that early section, I picked up a couple of points I had forgotten, that fit in with earlier things we have discussed. 1. Another bird reference - the first ball that Roy pitches (right term?) from the Whammer's viewpoint: Quote:
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