Falling in Love with E-books -- Harlequin does the full "e" - Page 5

NatCh · 09-27-2007, 11:08 AM

Yup, that's exactly what it means.

astra · 09-27-2007, 11:27 AM

Smart girl.

It will attract new customers to MobiPocket.

NatCh · 09-27-2007, 12:05 PM

'cept it's shut down.

astra · 09-27-2007, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by NatCh

'cept it's shut down.

What do you mean?

NatCh · 09-27-2007, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by astra_lestat

What do you mean?

I mean that Mobipocket's lawyers made her shut down her site distributing the DRM breaker.

astra · 09-27-2007, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by NatCh

I mean that Mobipocket's lawyers made her shut down her site distributing the DRM breaker.

Oh, I see.
Nontheless I am pretty sure the crack is in right hands now and MobiPockets should be happy about it because they will get only more customers who were avoiding them before because of DRM issues

NatCh · 09-27-2007, 01:20 PM

"Should be" and "are," unfortunately, are not the same thing.

These folks have proved repeatedly that they don't think the way we do.

astra · 09-27-2007, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by NatCh

"Should be" and "are," unfortunately, are not the same thing.

These folks have proved repeatedly that they don't think the way we do.

Agree...

HarryT · 09-28-2007, 03:11 AM

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Originally Posted by astra_lestat

Oh, I see.
Nontheless I am pretty sure the crack is in right hands now and MobiPockets should be happy about it because they will get only more customers who were avoiding them before because of DRM issues

... and they will get fewer publishers willing to publish MobiPocket books because, yet again, a small number of thoughtless criminals have ruined things for the rest of us

.

astra · 09-28-2007, 04:55 AM

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Originally Posted by HarryT

... and they will get fewer publishers willing to publish MobiPocket books because, yet again, a small number of thoughtless criminals have ruined things for the rest of us

.

Really? Do you belive in it? Did *.lit loose many publishers since clit became available?

HarryT · 09-28-2007, 05:01 AM

I certainly do believe that "cracking" DRM mechanisms is in nobody's interest. It can only confirm the views of those who believe that DRM is vital to protect themselves against the actions of criminal elements.

astra · 09-28-2007, 05:27 AM

However, if cracking DRM rises sales, then there is no need for DRM in the first place?
It doesn't protect against criminals anyway. The darknet is full of virtually every ebook you can buy and quite often of ebooks you cannot buy. So, anyone who do not want to pay for their ebooks they can get them illegaly anyway. Then what type of criminals does DRM protect against? It leaves us with a group of people who want to pay money but don't want to get stuck with DRMed ebooks. If I were wrong, whoever sells *.lit format would be out of business long time ago, wouldn't they? Because publishers would abandone them the moment clit made its way into public.

JSWolf · 09-28-2007, 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by HarryT

I certainly do believe that "cracking" DRM mechanisms is in nobody's interest. It can only confirm the views of those who believe that DRM is vital to protect themselves against the actions of criminal elements.

I've never purchased any ebooks in MobiPocket format before. But I have purcahsed some now that I can break the DRM. I don't give them away just because I can break the DRM. I have to disagree that breaking the DRM makes us criminals. It makes us able to protect the content we've paid good money for. Take Amazon.com for example. Let's say you've purchased an ebook in MobiPocket format from Amazon.com over one year ago.. Say that you now want to read that ebook on your iLiad. You cannot. Amazon doesn't keep the book past one year. Now if you purchased that ebook to read on your PDA and now you no longer have that PDA, you are well and truly screwed. The only option you have is to repurchase the SAME THING again in order to read it on your iLiad. It's the SAME FORMAT. So you should be able to read it on your iLiad, but nope, DRM gets in the way and screws you over. Do you now think DRM is a good idea. You don't and now you wish you could have broken the DRM. All I can say is DRM can cause consumer a hassle and cost us money too.

Breaking DRM makes my money go further and my life easier. How is that a bad thing?

HarryT · 09-28-2007, 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

I have to disagree that breaking the DRM makes us criminals.

Forgive me for saying so, Jon, but in the United States, if you break DRM you are a criminal, and you don't even have the excuse with the MobiPocket format that the "disability exemption" to the DCMA applies - the MobiPocket Reader has no features such as reading aloud which are disabled by DRM.

One may argue that the DCMA is a bad law, but until and unless it is overturned by the courts, it is the law, and if you break it you are committing a crime.

Liviu_5 · 09-28-2007, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by HarryT

Forgive me for saying so, Jon, but in the United States, if you break DRM you are a criminal, and you don't even have the excuse with the MobiPocket format that the "disability exemption" to the DCMA applies - the MobiPocket Reader has no features such as reading aloud which are disabled by DRM.

One may argue that the DCMA is a bad law, but until and unless it is overturned by the courts, it is the law, and if you break it you are committing a crime.

By the above reasoning if you see a 15mph sign and you go 16 mph you are a criminal, so anyone who drives is a criminal. Welcome to the club

09-28-2007, 05:27 AM	#72
astra The Introvert Posts: 8,307 Karma: 1000077497 Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: United Kingdom Device: Sony Reader PRS-650 & 505 & 500	However, if cracking DRM rises sales, then there is no need for DRM in the first place? It doesn't protect against criminals anyway. The darknet is full of virtually every ebook you can buy and quite often of ebooks you cannot buy. So, anyone who do not want to pay for their ebooks they can get them illegaly anyway. Then what type of criminals does DRM protect against? It leaves us with a group of people who want to pay money but don't want to get stuck with DRMed ebooks. If I were wrong, whoever sells .lit format would be out of business long time ago, wouldn't they? Because publishers would abandone them the moment clit made its way into public. Last edited by astra; 09-28-2007 at 05:30 AM.*

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09-27-2007, 11:08 AM	#61
NatCh Gizmologist Posts: 11,615 Karma: 929550 Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Republic of Texas Embassy at Jackson, TN Device: Pocketbook Touch HD3	Yup, that's exactly what it means.

09-27-2007, 11:27 AM	#62
astra The Introvert Posts: 8,307 Karma: 1000077497 Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: United Kingdom Device: Sony Reader PRS-650 & 505 & 500	Smart girl. It will attract new customers to MobiPocket.

09-27-2007, 12:05 PM	#63
NatCh Gizmologist Posts: 11,615 Karma: 929550 Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Republic of Texas Embassy at Jackson, TN Device: Pocketbook Touch HD3	'cept it's shut down.

09-27-2007, 01:20 PM	#67
NatCh Gizmologist Posts: 11,615 Karma: 929550 Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Republic of Texas Embassy at Jackson, TN Device: Pocketbook Touch HD3	"Should be" and "are," unfortunately, are not the same thing. These folks have proved repeatedly that they don't think the way we do.

09-28-2007, 05:01 AM	#71
HarryT eBook Enthusiast Posts: 85,544 Karma: 93383043 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: UK Device: Kindle Oasis 2, iPad Pro 10.5", iPhone 6	I certainly do believe that "cracking" DRM mechanisms is in nobody's interest. It can only confirm the views of those who believe that DRM is vital to protect themselves against the actions of criminal elements.