The best Bible for your Kindle - Page 15

HarryT · 12-23-2010, 02:41 PM

You have to get permission from a British government department to publish the KJV in the UK. Permission is always granted, and there's no cost involved. It's just a nominal thing to satisfy the requirements of crown copyright.

EDIT: A little research reveals that it's actually the Cambridge University Press, who are the crown's "agents" for the KJV copyright, that you need to get permission from. Full details are at:

http://www.cofe.anglican.org/worship...ds/litcopy.rtf

(warning: it's an RTF file)

WT Sharpe · 12-23-2010, 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HarryT

You have to get permission from a British government department to publish the KJV in the UK. Permission is always granted, and there's no cost involved. It's just a nominal thing to satisfy the requirements of crown copyright.

Thanks, Harry. That's interesting. I had no idea.

osnova · 12-23-2010, 09:04 PM

Harry, is it just UK or all Commonwealth countries?

osnova · 12-23-2010, 09:07 PM

Meanwhile, I have published the OSNOVA Study Bible.

The OSNOVA Study Bible includes the Holy Bible and the following Bible study resources:

* The Treasury of Scripture Knowledge (500,000 Scripture cross-references) by R.A. Torrey
* How to Study the Bible for Greatest Profit (a course on Bible study methods) by R.A. Torrey
* Daily Bread (one-year Bible reading calendar) by R.M. M’Cheyne

This edition incorporates an active table of contents, a joystick navigation between chapters, and a cross-reference system between the Bible study resources and the included Bible (with Direct Verse Jump and Direct Verse Jump 2), which makes it easy to locate any place within the Bible study resources or the Scriptures in seconds. The table of contents allows navigation to any chapter of the Scriptures, with the hyperlinked dot to the right of each chapter leading to the corresponding place in the Treasury of Scripture Knowledge. Each title and each verse number in the included Bible is hyperlinked to the corresponding passage in the Treasury of Scripture Knowledge, and each reference in the Treasury of Scripture Knowledge is hyperlinked to the corresponding passage in the Bible.

HarryT · 12-24-2010, 01:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by osnova

Harry, is it just UK or all Commonwealth countries?

I believe it's just the UK.

osnova · 12-25-2010, 04:32 AM

A person, who goes by Dougie Quick on Amazon, has left me a scathing review with only 2 stars. I will reprint his entire review below but first I would like to invite discussion about whether “it is unbiblical to charge money” for “digital copies of the KJV [I guess any translation for that matter] Bible.” On another note, there are hundreds of free KJV Bibles available on the Internet, including on Mobileread. Also, if you can’t afford the OSNOVA edition of the Bible but would really like it for your Kindle, please send me an email and I will send you a copy for free.

====
Review by Dougie Quick on Amazon:

I just can not warm up to the idea of someone making money on digital copies of the KJV Bible. It is unbiblical to charge money although I see nothing wrong with asking for donations to help in ongoing improvements. For years and years the Online Bible for your computer has been totally free to download with folks constantly tweaking and improving things just for the love of getting it out to folks. The Bible is not just another book if you want to make money pick some other books, not the Bible. It would be better there were NONE available yet than to charge because that would encourage all sorts of folk with the proper mindset to leap into action. As it stands I would not doubt for a second that there are roadblocks to folks desirous to get free open source editions of the KJV Bible onto Kindle as well as the other readers. Again the Bible is NOT anything like all the other books, the arguments that seem right fair for other literature simply do NOT apply with the Scriptures! By all means ask for donations if money is needed but for your own sake even do not think to make your living in bringing the Bible to your fellow man! I am not accusing any individual(s) specifically, I guess what I am saying is this looks bad so far, what is going on? Has anyone tried to simply adapt the online Bible to Kindle? How hard can it be?

HarryT · 12-25-2010, 04:44 AM

Ridiculous. There's absolutely nothing wrong with charging money for a nicely formatted public domain book. Does this person think that your time is free? As for the "it's not just another book", stuff, I leave that one for the theologians. It certainly is "a book" (well, many books, I suppose).

waller4343 · 12-25-2010, 06:41 AM

I wonder if he gets upset with Borders for charging for their bibles. I have several bibles from several sources and every one of them cost either me or someone else money. Gideon is the only version I know of that is free and I don't feel comfortable removing them from the hotel rooms.

I paid for the "enhancements" in the bibles I own. That is why I have absolutely no problem paying for your electronic versions. At least with them I am assured of a quality experience. I think I have 7 of your products and thanks to the work you put into them bible study has never been so simple. I do a search on a verse and shortly I can compare the KJV (both vpl and paragraphed), WEB, NET, ASV, the Study Bible and the Henry's Commentaries. I change my primary dictionary to the encyclopedia and get some great depth to my studies. I also use Easton's for the same purpose.

Finally, I am guessing you aren't going to become wealthy from the sales of your products, so no - it's not "unbiblical" to charge for your enhancements that make reading and studying the bible so convenient. As for the reviewer's comment "It would be better there were NONE available yet than to charge because that would encourage all sorts of folk with the proper mindset to leap into action"- bunk. I imagine that there were the same sort of mindsets against Gutenberg when he started selling his copies of the first mass produced bibles.

If my spending 5 bucks will help you to continue your fine work then it is money well spent. Thank you for your efforts.

speedlever · 12-25-2010, 07:18 AM

Dougie is certainly entitled to his opinion. But he sounds like he's wound a bit tight. For whatever reason, I think Dougie just latched onto your version to paste his comment that sounds like a general rant to anyone charging for digital versions of the Bible.

I wonder if Dougie is only concerned with the KJV version? Why not the NET, WEB, or any other version for that matter? What about an audiobook d/l of the same? If he doesn't care for the enhancements that osnova's digital version brings, he most certainly doesn't have to buy it.

His last couple of sentences reveal his ignorance. (How hard can it be?) Afterall, nothing is impossible to the man who doesn't have to do it.

Whatever. I say shake the dust off your feet and move ahead. And I hope you prosper by selling the enhanced versions. Although I think that has nothing to do with the issue whatsoever.

sirmaru · 12-25-2010, 08:37 AM

Osnova has added something unique to his Bibles and certainly should charge for them. The Direct Verse Jump feature is INVALUABLE and was not included in any of the original Bibles especially since they were written long before eBibles existed.

That individual, who criticized charging, just doesn't know what DVJ is and probably never tried it.

All he has to do is try the NIV eBible without DVJ and compare it to the DVJ KJV and NET to see the big difference and the value received for the charge.

HarryT · 12-25-2010, 09:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sirmaru

Osnova has added something unique to his Bibles and certainly should charge for them. The Direct Verse Jump feature is INVALUABLE and was not included in any of the original Bibles especially since they were written long before eBibles existed.

That individual, who criticized charging, just doesn't know what DVJ is and probably never tried it.

All he has to do is try the NIV eBible without DVJ and compare it to the DVJ KJV and NET to see the big difference and the value received for the charge.

I guess its value depends how you read the book. Personally I don't jump around all over the place - I just read it straight through. It has little value for readers such as myself. I can see, though, that if you're the sort of person who jumps around in a book, it would be beneficial.

sirmaru · 12-25-2010, 10:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HarryT

I guess its value depends how you read the book. Personally I don't jump around all over the place - I just read it straight through. It has little value for readers such as myself. I can see, though, that if you're the sort of person who jumps around in a book, it would be beneficial.

I read the day's verses for Kindle WiFi in "The One Year Bible NLT" by Tyndale. It's not an Osnova Bible. I go to each day's selection and read it. If I miss days, I just go to the current day in that Kindle eBible. When I find notable verses, I can use DVJ to locate them in the NET and KJV for highlighting and notations.

The KJV and NET are Osnova eBibles with DVJ. Those are useful for Bible Studies where the leader is always jumping around. It allows one to keep up.

The NowBible has a dramatized spoken NIV with great sound effects and a form of direct verse jump as well. I use that one as a utility to alternate with my Kindle WiFi eBibles and for specialized uses in Bible Studies.

Both the Kindle WiFi and NowBible allow loading and play back of sacred songs which I use as well.

WT Sharpe · 12-25-2010, 10:30 AM

I believe it would be unethical to grab download a copy from say, Project Gutenberg, then turn around and upload it for sale with absolutely no enhancements; but what you've done is entirely different. You've formatted the work and worked out a unique navigation system. In short, you've added your own labor to the work, and as such, you are entitled to be paid for that labor. That reviewer is way off base with his criticism.

The labourer is worthy of his hire.

tubemonkey · 12-25-2010, 11:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WT Sharpe

I believe it would be unethical to grab download a copy from say, Project Gutenberg, then turn around and upload it for sale with absolutely no enhancements; but what you've done is entirely different. You've formatted the work and worked out a unique navigation system. In short, you've added your own labor to the work, and as such, you are entitled to be paid for that labor. That reviewer is way off base with his criticism.

The labourer is worthy of his hire.

Totally agree. It has added value and that's worth something.

mean_gene · 12-25-2010, 12:50 PM

I'm trying to find an ebook version of the Complete Jewish Bible. This version keeps the Hebrew names intact in the NT and also has more of a "Hebrew perspective" kind of feel to it.

I found one here but I'm not sure if I'll be able to put it on the Kindle since it probably has DRM...
http://www.franklin.com/estore/produ...03dlda/#second

12-23-2010, 02:41 PM	#211
HarryT eBook Enthusiast Posts: 85,544 Karma: 93383043 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: UK Device: Kindle Oasis 2, iPad Pro 10.5", iPhone 6	You have to get permission from a British government department to publish the KJV in the UK. Permission is always granted, and there's no cost involved. It's just a nominal thing to satisfy the requirements of crown copyright. EDIT: A little research reveals that it's actually the Cambridge University Press, who are the crown's "agents" for the KJV copyright, that you need to get permission from. Full details are at: http://www.cofe.anglican.org/worship...ds/litcopy.rtf (warning: it's an RTF file) Last edited by HarryT; 12-23-2010 at 02:48 PM.

12-25-2010, 08:37 AM	#220
sirmaru Wizard Posts: 2,426 Karma: 6561538 Join Date: Nov 2007 Device: Kindle PW 2013, HDX 2013, Galaxy S5 2014	Charging CERTAINLY Justified Osnova has added something unique to his Bibles and certainly should charge for them. The Direct Verse Jump feature is INVALUABLE and was not included in any of the original Bibles especially since they were written long before eBibles existed. That individual, who criticized charging, just doesn't know what DVJ is and probably never tried it. All he has to do is try the NIV eBible without DVJ and compare it to the DVJ KJV and NET to see the big difference and the value received for the charge.

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12-23-2010, 09:04 PM	#213
osnova Kindler of the Flame Posts: 582 Karma: 646016 Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: US of A Device: K DX,3,KT,KP,KF, KFHD; Nook C, PRS600, iPad, Xoom, N900, N810, Zaurus	Harry, is it just UK or all Commonwealth countries?

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osnova Kindler of the Flame Posts: 582 Karma: 646016 Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: US of A Device: K DX,3,KT,KP,KF, KFHD; Nook C, PRS600, iPad, Xoom, N900, N810, Zaurus	Meanwhile, I have published the OSNOVA Study Bible. The OSNOVA Study Bible includes the Holy Bible and the following Bible study resources: * The Treasury of Scripture Knowledge (500,000 Scripture cross-references) by R.A. Torrey * How to Study the Bible for Greatest Profit (a course on Bible study methods) by R.A. Torrey * Daily Bread (one-year Bible reading calendar) by R.M. M’Cheyne This edition incorporates an active table of contents, a joystick navigation between chapters, and a cross-reference system between the Bible study resources and the included Bible (with Direct Verse Jump and Direct Verse Jump 2), which makes it easy to locate any place within the Bible study resources or the Scriptures in seconds. The table of contents allows navigation to any chapter of the Scriptures, with the hyperlinked dot to the right of each chapter leading to the corresponding place in the Treasury of Scripture Knowledge. Each title and each verse number in the included Bible is hyperlinked to the corresponding passage in the Treasury of Scripture Knowledge, and each reference in the Treasury of Scripture Knowledge is hyperlinked to the corresponding passage in the Bible.

12-25-2010, 04:32 AM	#216
osnova Kindler of the Flame Posts: 582 Karma: 646016 Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: US of A Device: K DX,3,KT,KP,KF, KFHD; Nook C, PRS600, iPad, Xoom, N900, N810, Zaurus	A person, who goes by Dougie Quick on Amazon, has left me a scathing review with only 2 stars. I will reprint his entire review below but first I would like to invite discussion about whether “it is unbiblical to charge money” for “digital copies of the KJV [I guess any translation for that matter] Bible.” On another note, there are hundreds of free KJV Bibles available on the Internet, including on Mobileread. Also, if you can’t afford the OSNOVA edition of the Bible but would really like it for your Kindle, please send me an email and I will send you a copy for free. ==== Review by Dougie Quick on Amazon: I just can not warm up to the idea of someone making money on digital copies of the KJV Bible. It is unbiblical to charge money although I see nothing wrong with asking for donations to help in ongoing improvements. For years and years the Online Bible for your computer has been totally free to download with folks constantly tweaking and improving things just for the love of getting it out to folks. The Bible is not just another book if you want to make money pick some other books, not the Bible. It would be better there were NONE available yet than to charge because that would encourage all sorts of folk with the proper mindset to leap into action. As it stands I would not doubt for a second that there are roadblocks to folks desirous to get free open source editions of the KJV Bible onto Kindle as well as the other readers. Again the Bible is NOT anything like all the other books, the arguments that seem right fair for other literature simply do NOT apply with the Scriptures! By all means ask for donations if money is needed but for your own sake even do not think to make your living in bringing the Bible to your fellow man! I am not accusing any individual(s) specifically, I guess what I am saying is this looks bad so far, what is going on? Has anyone tried to simply adapt the online Bible to Kindle? How hard can it be?

12-25-2010, 04:44 AM	#217
HarryT eBook Enthusiast Posts: 85,544 Karma: 93383043 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: UK Device: Kindle Oasis 2, iPad Pro 10.5", iPhone 6	Ridiculous. There's absolutely nothing wrong with charging money for a nicely formatted public domain book. Does this person think that your time is free? As for the "it's not just another book", stuff, I leave that one for the theologians. It certainly is "a book" (well, many books, I suppose).

12-25-2010, 06:41 AM	#218
waller4343 Enthusiast Posts: 46 Karma: 16090 Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Colorado, USA Device: Kindle DX, K3, iPad	I wonder if he gets upset with Borders for charging for their bibles. I have several bibles from several sources and every one of them cost either me or someone else money. Gideon is the only version I know of that is free and I don't feel comfortable removing them from the hotel rooms. I paid for the "enhancements" in the bibles I own. That is why I have absolutely no problem paying for your electronic versions. At least with them I am assured of a quality experience. I think I have 7 of your products and thanks to the work you put into them bible study has never been so simple. I do a search on a verse and shortly I can compare the KJV (both vpl and paragraphed), WEB, NET, ASV, the Study Bible and the Henry's Commentaries. I change my primary dictionary to the encyclopedia and get some great depth to my studies. I also use Easton's for the same purpose. Finally, I am guessing you aren't going to become wealthy from the sales of your products, so no - it's not "unbiblical" to charge for your enhancements that make reading and studying the bible so convenient. As for the reviewer's comment "It would be better there were NONE available yet than to charge because that would encourage all sorts of folk with the proper mindset to leap into action"- bunk. I imagine that there were the same sort of mindsets against Gutenberg when he started selling his copies of the first mass produced bibles. If my spending 5 bucks will help you to continue your fine work then it is money well spent. Thank you for your efforts.

12-25-2010, 07:18 AM	#219
speedlever Fanatic Posts: 592 Karma: 138200 Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: NC, USA Device: PW2014, PW2012, iPad Pro	Dougie is certainly entitled to his opinion. But he sounds like he's wound a bit tight. For whatever reason, I think Dougie just latched onto your version to paste his comment that sounds like a general rant to anyone charging for digital versions of the Bible. I wonder if Dougie is only concerned with the KJV version? Why not the NET, WEB, or any other version for that matter? What about an audiobook d/l of the same? If he doesn't care for the enhancements that osnova's digital version brings, he most certainly doesn't have to buy it. His last couple of sentences reveal his ignorance. (How hard can it be?) Afterall, nothing is impossible to the man who doesn't have to do it. Whatever. I say shake the dust off your feet and move ahead. And I hope you prosper by selling the enhanced versions. Although I think that has nothing to do with the issue whatsoever.

12-25-2010, 10:30 AM	#223
WT Sharpe Bah, humbug! Posts: 39,073 Karma: 157049943 Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Chesapeake, VA, USA Device: Kindle Oasis, iPad Pro, & a Samsung Galaxy S9.	I believe it would be unethical to grab download a copy from say, Project Gutenberg, then turn around and upload it for sale with absolutely no enhancements; but what you've done is entirely different. You've formatted the work and worked out a unique navigation system. In short, you've added your own labor to the work, and as such, you are entitled to be paid for that labor. That reviewer is way off base with his criticism. The labourer is worthy of his hire.

12-25-2010, 12:50 PM	#225
mean_gene Enthusiast Posts: 41 Karma: 10 Join Date: Dec 2010 Device: Kindle 3G/Wifi	I'm trying to find an ebook version of the Complete Jewish Bible. This version keeps the Hebrew names intact in the NT and also has more of a "Hebrew perspective" kind of feel to it. I found one here but I'm not sure if I'll be able to put it on the Kindle since it probably has DRM... http://www.franklin.com/estore/produ...03dlda/#second