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Is there some sort of major cultural/political disconnect here? Do we need to go to P&R? |
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09-12-2019, 11:36 PM | #738 | |
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By the way, this was sarcasm above. I am in full agreement with you about the inability to compare. Other than that they are not the same. |
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09-13-2019, 12:02 AM | #739 |
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Why would anyone consider it an insult to compare libraries to food pantries? They are both charitable efforts in the interests of society. Is there somehow a difference between accepting charity in the form of food or in the form of a book?
But before we jump heading into that rabbit hole...I’m trying to communicate that we should take our spot as society builders when we rise to the position to be able to do so. Maybe nobody has ever told you to bring more food than your own family eats to a block party or a church pot luck. Maybe nobody has explained that you bring something like a bottle of whine, a salad a dessert when you are invited to dinner.....or that you reciprocate at some point in the future. Maybe you don’t realize that you pay extra for friends and family rather than expect a discount. Maybe you don’t realize that your wedding gift should cost more than the food you eat at the wedding does. At some point....you are supposed to be the one who makes it possible for the fireworks to happen. You come to realize that books don’t just happen. They aren’t mechanical widgets or gallons of milk. Support the art that brings you so much joy...take your place as a responsible adult in the world who doesn’t just show up for the goodies provided by others. |
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09-13-2019, 12:47 AM | #741 |
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Lol! I have never once addressed YOU, or anybody by name. It’s general theory and ethics. Apply or deny as one deems appropriate.
And public libraries are charity. Nothing wrong with charity. Nothing wrong with block parties, pot lucks, or fireworks displays. They just aren’t magically existent. Just like books don’t write themselves. Support the art you enjoy |
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Again, this is completely wrong. Do you actually know any qualified librarians who believe this?
Charity: "generous actions or donations to aid the poor, ill, or helpless." Public libraries are a taxpayer-funded community resource for everyone. Here's the Australian Library & Information Association's statement on public library services; feel free to look up your own local one. https://www.alia.org.au/about-alia/p...brary-services Occasionally libraries involve themselves in community charity programmes among their multitude of other programmes - mine right now hosts a collection point for stationery for a project for children escaping domestic violence (run by a group outside the library system) that I'm collecting gear for - but nothing about a public library's core business is charity. It's not run from generous donations, and it's not aimed at the "poor, ill or helpless" (though they are of course included, as is everyone else). Last edited by meeera; 09-13-2019 at 01:13 AM. |
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@leebase. Though I am not personally offended, I can see how many people would be. To all your other potentially offensive imputations you have now added the idea that people who can afford to but do not pay absolutely top price for a book are not responsible adults, and are essentially sponging off those who do. It is as if you have ignored the whole conversation whilst endlessly repeating your mindless mantra based on the fallacy that paying top price acts by some mysterious way as an incentive for authors to write more books. It is irrelevant whether you regard books as widgets or art. They are sold in the course of commerce, and their price varies. The strongest your argument that you should pay the highest price you can afford gets is that it may make a book slightly more profitable to the publisher and enhance the authors chance of being published again in the future. If you read fjtorres post #693 again, you will see that even this is not true. Typically the publisher will receive the same amount, with the retailer bearing the costs of any discounts.
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I'm impressed by the persistence shown on both sides in keeping the same argument going for 50 pages.
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09-13-2019, 03:43 AM | #745 |
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Both sides? It is not exactly black and white. I disagree with both extremes. Neither am I tricked into paying too much, nor should I feel obligated to pay too much. While you cannot agree to both at the same time, it is possible to disagree with both and still be consistent.
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I should have realised that any statement in this thread was liable to generate another argument.
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Do you listen to music for free on the radio rather than buy every album the moment it comes out? And I'm going to say it: Not every book is a work of art, the same as not every movie is a work of art, not every TV program is a work of art and not every five-year-old's drawing stuck to the side of a fridge is a work of art. |
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Yea, the Civil War series was quite good, IMPO. I have the first three. Apparently there is a fourth, but I haven't read that one and wasn't aware of it until I double check just now. Gettysburg was an alternate history with a Killer Angel feel to it. If you are interested in the Civil War, it's well worth reading. Like most people (apparently), I haven't read 1945. I just got the two books mixed up. It's been a long while since it was mentioned by Jim Baen on his web board. The sequel to 1945 was never written. Apparently, Baen was expecting it to be a huge hit so he spent big bucks on it and lost a bundle on it. I don't know any of the details beyond that. |
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