Aventuremail.com 2Gb FREE E-Mail - Page 2

dirvish · 06-08-2004, 10:25 PM

AventureMail allready suspended my account! Read the story here: http://3fingersalute.net/aventuremail/

doctorow · 06-09-2004, 02:31 AM

Wow that's interesting. Perhaps they are desperately trying to find a reason to remove some users again, hoping to keep the server from boging down again

melvynadam · 06-10-2004, 03:51 AM

WHY WHY WHY did I only check this forum now!
I just tried to get an account and got:
Aventure Mail Error
We are currently not accepting new registrations. Accounts can be purchased in our store (http://www.aventuremail.co.uk/store) in the mean time.

So only 'paid-for' accounts for the moment (3GB/4GB/5GB for $21.95/$41.95/$65.95 respectively)

doctorow · 06-16-2004, 07:38 AM

This is what AventureMail says about the current shortage of free e-mail registrations:

Quote:

At current AventureMail.com will accept 10,000 new registrations per week until we are happy with the service standard, and to allow us time to receive feedback from the existing customers, to work out any problems they may be encountering, and to ensure that we can make the abuse levels which we will get from day to day by offering such a service.

We have no plans of stopping or limiting our free 2GB email service, a general question which we are asked in most emails! Get registering!!

gyffes · 06-16-2004, 12:27 PM

Well, I've got my Aventuremail account, but I think I'll stick with Yahoo! for primary -- esp now that I have -2040mb of space.

UnknownZ · 06-26-2004, 10:25 AM

Yeah, I am late too..ahhh...It seems that now more and more companies offer more free email space. Just take as example, Yahoo also offer 100 MB of email space now.

Bob Russell · 09-10-2004, 02:39 PM

Seems like AventureMail was pretty much a dud. Slow server. And now they have apparently cut me off unless I pay $2 for anti-abuse cost!

Not really that useful anymore, anyway, because my gmail account (thanks to MobileRead) and yahoo and even hotmail are plenty big for my personal email purposes.

Here's the text from the AventureMail login screen...

Quote:

Welcome to AventureMail.com, to login to your existing email account please enter your login details below. If you are a previous beta tester, you must signup for a fully enabled account by paying the anti-abuse activation fee.

hacker · 09-10-2004, 03:24 PM

2GB of mail doesn't make a GMail killer. 10GB of mail doesn't make a GMail killer. I'd certainly trust Google with my data long before I'd trust some fly-by-night company I've never heard of. (But, that being said, I don't trust Google with my data at all, even though they have already admitted to tracking searches people do, per-IP, and storing it in their datastores).

I haven't yet seen a GMail killer, and I doubt we'll see one in the next 2-3 years, if even that short.

Why? Because GMail doesn't "store" email like these other providers. Your email is a pointer to an enormous datastore on their shard, which can contain messages that other users see also.

For example, lets say you have a mailing list with 10,000 subscribers. 5,000 of those subscribers are GMail users, and they all subscribe their GMail addresses to the list. The other 5,000 users are random email addresses across the globe.

When a message is sent to the list, and is sent to the GMail subscribers, one copy of the message is put into the GMail datastore, and 5,000 pointers all reference it. If you are one of the 5,000 people in GMail who "get" that message, you see it in your mailbox. If 1,000 of the GMail users delete it, there are now 4,000 pointers to the original message.

The same goes for spam on GMail. When you report a message as spam, a heuristic is applied to it that identifies it so that NO OTHER GMail USERS would receive that spam again, based on a weighting by other users who have also ranked that message as spam.

So, to store 2GB of mail, isn't really storing that much, you're probably storing 2GB of mail across 100 users who share some percentage of the same sort of messages.

Make sense? And the reasons why this won't be seen in other systems, are several:

Google owns the technology that drives it, incuding the algorithms
Google has an enormous amount of brilliant people to develop and manage it
Google also has an enormous amount of bandwidth and tens of thousands of machines powering their infrastructure

It would be interesting to see more ideas like this coming out, especially the distributed spam heuristic kind of ideas, but for now, it is most-likely locked up in some very tight patents and licensing.

Alexander Turcic · 09-10-2004, 03:47 PM

That's is interesting news, thank you for the information, David. I didn't know about the internal cross-referencing algorithm!

I agree, Aventuremail looks like big scam today. Bob you at least received a message that allows you to go on; look at what I got:

loginname: my (the email I signed up for was my@aventuremail.com)

Quote:

The account name you have entered (my@aventuremail) doesn't exist in our records. Please go back and try again.

So they simply deleted my account without notice. Unbelievable. Maybe someone should sue them...

Bob Russell · 09-10-2004, 04:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alexander

So they simply deleted my account without notice. Unbelievable. Maybe someone should sue them...

They probably sent you a notice at your AventureMail address just before they deleted the account!

Alexander Turcic · 09-10-2004, 04:31 PM

Probably

Don't know whom they wanted to impress with their pseudo-free-offer.

ignatz · 09-11-2004, 12:52 AM

Hacker: I'm really interested in your description of the Google system. Where did you find the info? Do you have any recommended references on this where I could learn more?

ignatz · 09-11-2004, 10:27 AM

Got this in my email today (emphasis added by me):

Quote:

You have received this email a user of AventureMail.com
This is a one time email, you will not receive further updates.
---

Dear User, AventureMail.com Version 2 is now live!
All previous accounts/email etc has been removed to make way to the final release of AventureMail. After several months of intense beta testing to resolve issues such as the massive influx of virus email and spam, we have been able to make a drastic amount of changes.

Over the last few weeks we have been modifying our spam/virus rules, and have managed to cut down 95% of virus email arriving into your mailbox.

Changes
+ $2 Anti-Abuse Activation Fee (Credit Card or PayPal)
+ Improved Virus Scanning
+ Improved Speed
+ Improved Reliability
+ Improved Features/Address books/Blocking/Spam Reports
+ Live Chat Support, Sales & Accounts
+ New Community Forums
+ Slightly changed website

All accounts have been removed?! What kind of customer service is that? Can't say that I care, since I really haven't used the site since I set up my account. I got my Gmail at around the same time and Aventuremail was so slow back then that I never got started with it. They made a big mistake by rushing this service into being. If they released a solid, fast server now with 2GB they would have done much better.

06-08-2004, 10:25 PM	#16
dirvish Junior Member Posts: 1 Karma: 10 Join Date: Jun 2004	Suspended AventureMail Account AventureMail allready suspended my account! Read the story here: http://3fingersalute.net/aventuremail/

06-10-2004, 03:51 AM	#18
melvynadam Connoisseur Posts: 69 Karma: 10 Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Israel Device: Kindle Paperwhite, iPhone, iPad	WHY WHY WHY did I only check this forum now! I just tried to get an account and got: Aventure Mail Error We are currently not accepting new registrations. Accounts can be purchased in our store (http://www.aventuremail.co.uk/store) in the mean time. So only 'paid-for' accounts for the moment (3GB/4GB/5GB for $21.95/$41.95/$65.95 respectively) Last edited by melvynadam; 06-10-2004 at 03:56 AM.

09-10-2004, 03:24 PM	#23
hacker Technology Mercenary Posts: 617 Karma: 2561 Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: East Lyme, CT Device: Direct Neural Implant	2GB of mail doesn't make a GMail killer. 10GB of mail doesn't make a GMail killer. I'd certainly trust Google with my data long before I'd trust some fly-by-night company I've never heard of. (But, that being said, I don't trust Google with my data at all, even though they have already admitted to tracking searches people do, per-IP, and storing it in their datastores). I haven't yet seen a GMail killer, and I doubt we'll see one in the next 2-3 years, if even that short. Why? Because GMail doesn't "store" email like these other providers. Your email is a pointer to an enormous datastore on their shard, which can contain messages that other users see also. For example, lets say you have a mailing list with 10,000 subscribers. 5,000 of those subscribers are GMail users, and they all subscribe their GMail addresses to the list. The other 5,000 users are random email addresses across the globe. When a message is sent to the list, and is sent to the GMail subscribers, one copy of the message is put into the GMail datastore, and 5,000 pointers all reference it. If you are one of the 5,000 people in GMail who "get" that message, you see it in your mailbox. If 1,000 of the GMail users delete it, there are now 4,000 pointers to the original message. The same goes for spam on GMail. When you report a message as spam, a heuristic is applied to it that identifies it so that NO OTHER GMail USERS would receive that spam again, based on a weighting by other users who have also ranked that message as spam. So, to store 2GB of mail, isn't really storing that much, you're probably storing 2GB of mail across 100 users who share some percentage of the same sort of messages. Make sense? And the reasons why this won't be seen in other systems, are several: Google owns the technology that drives it, incuding the algorithms Google has an enormous amount of brilliant people to develop and manage it Google also has an enormous amount of bandwidth and tens of thousands of machines powering their infrastructure It would be interesting to see more ideas like this coming out, especially the distributed spam heuristic kind of ideas, but for now, it is most-likely locked up in some very tight patents and licensing.

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06-09-2004, 02:31 AM	#17
doctorow Guru Posts: 914 Karma: 3410461 Join Date: May 2004 Device: Kindle Touch	Wow that's interesting. Perhaps they are desperately trying to find a reason to remove some users again, hoping to keep the server from boging down again

06-16-2004, 12:27 PM	#20
gyffes Enthusiast Posts: 25 Karma: 56 Join Date: Mar 2003 Device: eMate!!! oh, and an NX-60	Well, I've got my Aventuremail account, but I think I'll stick with Yahoo! for primary -- esp now that I have -2040mb of space.

06-26-2004, 10:25 AM	#21
UnknownZ Junior Member Posts: 6 Karma: 22 Join Date: Jun 2004	Yeah, I am late too..ahhh...It seems that now more and more companies offer more free email space. Just take as example, Yahoo also offer 100 MB of email space now.

09-10-2004, 04:31 PM	#26
Alexander Turcic Fully Converged Posts: 18,163 Karma: 14021202 Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Switzerland Device: Too many to count here.	Probably Don't know whom they wanted to impress with their pseudo-free-offer.

09-11-2004, 12:52 AM	#27
ignatz mechanoholic Posts: 582 Karma: 1000217 Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Sarasota, FL Device: Nook STR/iPhone 4S/EVO 4G	Hacker: I'm really interested in your description of the Google system. Where did you find the info? Do you have any recommended references on this where I could learn more?

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