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06-01-2018, 10:20 AM | #18 |
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06-01-2018, 10:32 AM | #19 |
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It is in the price displayed. The laws for pricing are pretty much that what is displayed is what the consumer pays. The receipt will show the GST for those who can claim it somehow. And the taxes are at the national, not state level, so everyone pays the same.
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06-01-2018, 10:38 AM | #20 |
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Good question. How they'll know sales figures for Australian customers is anyone's guess. Perhaps the Australian government will require online retailers shipping to Australia to file some sort of sales report.
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Amazon is big enough that they should easily exceed the $75,000 a year figure. If Amazon doesn't want to collect and remit the tax, then the Australian government can hold packages from Amazon (US) in customs. |
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06-01-2018, 12:30 PM | #22 |
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Companies like Amazon should just link to third party tax collecting payment sites. Similar to how some online vendors are "PayPal only". Except in this case, the "PayPal" part would be a country-managed tax collection system that works as a middleman between the customer and the vendor. The vendor wants $20 for their item, the middleman then charges the customer $25 (or whatever they want for taxes added on), forwards $20 to the vendor and keeps the rest. The vendor does not have to manage, collect and remit any taxes, they just know that to do business in a specific country they should ONLY allow payment via that county's middleman. So the county becomes responsible for collecting their own taxes, by providing their approved middleman.
The countries wanting tax money do no get to force vendors to do their tax collection dirty work for them (all the while not paying the vendors for that service), and those countries are in total control over how much they want to gouge their fellow countrymen for. And each country has complete and efficient records of transactions to use as hammers on their citizens. This sounds kind of like North Korea and their government run internet filtering, but really, what countries like Australian are trying to do is somewhat like North Korea's citizen control. They should take ownership of it and be responsible for it if that's the type of control they want to exert. They shouldn't be able to pawn the work off on some overseas vendor and expect the vendor to take care of it for free. |
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No, the privacy rules. If a EU tribunal decides that a company is guilty of violating the EU's data privacy rules, then they will fine that company up to 10% of it's world wide gross revenue. There are a lot of companies that don't want to deal with that level of risk.
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06-01-2018, 02:54 PM | #24 |
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The whole thing is a smokescreen. There are ways around this if you really want to get something from Amazon that cant be got anywhere else. The Australian government is simply trying to throw out a distraction, so we Aussies presumably will become so irate over this, that we will fail to become irate over something we OUGHT to be irate about, and that is the huge tax breaks the BIG End of Town is getting, when taxing them at a fair rate would solve many of our government's financial woes. As always, its the little guy bearing the greater part of the tax burden.
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Is Australia's population big enough to warrant it's own store? That would seem a logical resolution. If not, then maybe Australians should read less and do more to increase the population (you know, whatever seems appropriate at the time)
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The reason I asked whether the tax needs to be included in the display price is because it *does* make it a completely different proposition from how it's handled in the US. In the US, the tax is added at the end of the transaction, based on where the items will be shipped to. The display price is the same for everyone, but the actual price paid changes. For instance, I have this item in my cart: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B013EANPI6/ The list price is $176.21. If I ship it to Connecticut, $11.19 is added to the final price for sales tax. If I decide that I want to ship it to my brother in law in Utah instead, the $11.19 tax changes to $12.07. I tried to choose a friend's address in Canada, and wasn't allowed to ship there. How would this work for a country where the tax needs to be included in the display price? Maybe the people in those countries just aren't allowed to ship to an address outside the country? I find it interesting that I'm not allowed to ship to Canada anymore...I'm pretty sure that I've had stuff shipped directly there in the past. Maybe because they have their own store now? edit: Never mind...I tried setting a different item to ship to my Canadian friend, and it worked. It did add "Import Fees Deposit: $12.80" to the cost, which I believe covers the taxes and fees. Shari Last edited by shalym; 06-01-2018 at 05:46 PM. |
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06-01-2018, 10:09 PM | #27 |
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So you paid the tax to Amazon, who then paid it to the Canadian government?
Canada has a GST, the same in operation and principal as Australia's. If Amazon can do it for Canada, why not Australia? |
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Amazon already has its own Australian shop. It has a far more limited range of goods, and they're often far more (more than the 10% GST) expensive. And you can't buy, for example, books and DVDs not 'officially' released in Australia.
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As far as I can tell from my orders from Amazon.com, the import fee has nothing to do with the federal GST, the provincial PST or the combined flavour in some provinces called the HST and is supposedly to cover the extra cost of adding the paperwork required for importing the shipment to Canada. In theory, if the cost is less than the deposit, you will be refunded the difference. If imposed, the GST/HST/PST along with any other applicable tariffs will be collected by the CBSA or other agency on the Canadian side of the border. |
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06-02-2018, 01:27 AM | #30 |
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Whether the tax is inclusive or not on a sales page doesn’t really matter. If I go to buy a DVD on Amazon UK the price shown on the product page is VAT inclusive, and then when I go to checkout the price in my cart is less, with the VAT amount backed out, because my default mailing address is in the US. It’s complex, sure, but not that complicated and something Amazon deals with all over the world, not sure why they won’t deal with this new update.
Another example, there are lots of food items I would love to order from Amazon DE but they can’t be sent to the US because of FDA restrictions. Same with some over the counter pharmaceuticals. But somehow Amazon manages to handle regulatory compliance without banning me from the whole store... |
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