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Old 11-12-2018, 11:50 AM   #1
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George RR Martin - The Winds of Winter - Not coming soon.

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I’ve been struggling with it for a few years,” he said, a fact that every fan knows acutely. “The Winds of Winter is not so much a novel as a dozen novels, each with a different protagonist, each having a different cast of supporting players and antagonists and allies and lovers around them, and all of these weaving together in an extremely complex fashion. So it’s very, very challenging. Fire and Blood by contrast was very simple. Not that it’s easy, it still took me years to put together, but it is easier.”
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--George RR Martin interview with The Guardian
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Old 11-12-2018, 12:19 PM   #2
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Once HBO airs its version of 'The End', I suspect the novel will follow shortly after.
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Old 11-12-2018, 01:30 PM   #3
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It’ll never be finished. He’ll just let the tv show finish it for him.
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Old 11-12-2018, 06:47 PM   #4
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Old 11-12-2018, 09:17 PM   #5
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That's getting ridiculous.
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Old 11-13-2018, 05:19 AM   #6
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By now I expect a mediocre book, when it is finally released. I don't think he knows where to take the story, and the extreme pressure on him, likely creates some situations where he just picks the easiest path in front of him.

Personally I can wait. I enjoyed the currently released books, and look forward to reading them again, along with the last 2+ books. But I won't start re-reading them, until all the books are released, and I honestly don't think he'll live through to finish them at this point, given his current speed, and the fact that he hasn't even started writing on Dreams of Spring.
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Old 11-13-2018, 06:11 AM   #7
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I gave up a long time ago. Books 1, 2, and 3 were great. 4, not so great, 5 I stopped about 1/2 way through.

I wouldn't read Winds of Winter if you gave it to me for free. I don't believe it will be worth the effort.
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Old 11-13-2018, 08:16 AM   #8
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Maybe if he quit working on other projects he would get it finished. It seems like every time I turn around there is some new anthology or something with his name on it.
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Old 11-13-2018, 09:47 AM   #9
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Maybe he should form a support group with Jim Butcher.
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Old 11-13-2018, 12:01 PM   #10
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Maybe he should form a support group with Jim Butcher.
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Patrick Rothfuss can also join. :P
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Old 11-13-2018, 12:13 PM   #11
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Scott Lynch should join too. And J V Jones......
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Old 11-13-2018, 01:03 PM   #12
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I think Neil Gaiman said it pretty well in his blog post Entitlement issues:

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George R.R. Martin is not your bitch.

This is a useful thing to know, perhaps a useful thing to point out when you find yourself thinking that possibly George is, indeed, your bitch, and should be out there typing what you want to read right now.

People are not machines. Writers and artists aren't machines.
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Old 11-13-2018, 01:30 PM   #13
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That's fine I know that. I just think if they are on hiatus, hitting a dry spell or chasing a love interest they should say so. That I understand, not the, "I will have the book out in six months", every six months for two or three years.
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Old 11-13-2018, 01:48 PM   #14
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Ahhh ... I wondered when the ol' Gaiman defense would be trotted out.

Martin brings on the criticism himself, by being so public about his appearances and hobbies, and side-projects (and passion for the Jets, and figurine painting... yada, yada).

Fans (most fans anyway) would be happy to wait for his books if he wasn't in everyone's face with all the look-at-me-not-working-on-the-stuff-you-really-care-about-(and that made me what I am today) aspects of his life.

Martin doesn't care about finishing this series. That's why he's letting HBO do it for him. He just needs to admit it and move on.
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Old 11-13-2018, 03:25 PM   #15
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I think Neil Gaiman said it pretty well in his blog post Entitlement issues:
You're overlooking the fact that Martin himself is the one setting the expectations. He's the one setting - and breaking - the deadlines.
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