10-01-2012, 03:52 PM | #16 | |
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The thing is, either the anime is out of print (and thus no loss to the rights holders) or not licensed for distribution outside of Japan (still no loss to the rights holders), or unavailable in an unaltered state (ditto). This is a move by various groups to get their old and much-abused role as gatekeepers back. |
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10-01-2012, 04:20 PM | #17 | |
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10-01-2012, 04:23 PM | #18 |
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Couldn't they just distribute the subtitle file so that people can build it into their (bought) DVD original?
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10-01-2012, 04:36 PM | #19 | |
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In the old days fansub groups stopped distroing tapes (for no profit) once it was announed an anime had been licensed. That's happening less and less and even when it does the digital files are out in the wild and you can't really stop their availability and it's much easier to copy a digital file than it is a tape. |
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10-01-2012, 04:39 PM | #20 |
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This shows what happens when there is too much power on one side of the scales, an almost Orwellian law is passed. Japan may become heaven for corporations that want power and money, decide who reads, listens to or watch what and where and at what price.
This is the system that some defend, a system where money is the absolute ruler. Today if you pay, you may read, listen to or watch, tomorrow: eat, after tomorrow: live (oh wait, eat but only if you got the money for it is already something of "today") |
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And not all anime producers allow exporting of their works without official dubs/subs in the first place. What I've never understood is why companies don't just hire the best of the fansubbers, so they can monetize what is otherwise (mostly) harmless copyright infringement. |
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10-01-2012, 05:33 PM | #22 |
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10-01-2012, 06:31 PM | #23 | |
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Seriously though, 2 years gaol time? Puts it right up there with scum who push drugs, rapists, rob banks and those who assault people. |
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10-01-2012, 07:45 PM | #24 |
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Copyright infringement is not piracy. Copyright infringement is copying and/or distributing copyright material. Piracy is selling copyright material without permission. People used to sell fake-DVDs. That is piracy. The vast majority of those who engage in copyright infringement do not profit from it, often quite the opposite.
Equating downloading a copy of a file to theft is quite ridiculous. One deprives someone of the use of the object in question, the other merely duplicates an electronic file. This is claimed to be a loss but that is only true if the infringer would otherwise always have purchased a copy. It is reasonable to conclude that this is not the case in all instances. I really wish people would think about this issue in a somewhat rational fashion without swallowing wholesale the propaganda. There is a fundamental difference between actual property and so-called intellectual property. One has a finite existence, the other less so. |
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I think this issue is a class thing. Book shoplifting = lower class. Jail is fine for them -- at least if repeat offenders -- even though most books at Barnes and Noble are destined to be pulped, so stealing them deprives no one of anything. By contrast, book piracy = upper middle class. So punishing them is a horror, and, unlike with every other kind of stealing, conviction should require a showing of harm.
This is not to defend the Japanese law, which I do consider draconian. It's so draconian that I doubt it will be enforced. Cutting off internet access would make the punishment fit the crime. |
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No. It's simply an illogical conflation of two concepts because people are inherently more open to copyright infringement than to theft. Copying has always been generally acceptable from recording TV shows on VCR (and now DVR boxes) to recording songs from the radio to creating bootleg LPs and so on. Theft on the other hand is acceptable behaviour to very few people. Therefore a simple but stupid way to change the public's attitude to copying is to claim that all such copying is theft.
Copyright infringement is illegal but let's not go crazy. Last edited by corroonb; 10-01-2012 at 08:27 PM. |
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Likewise, a way to change the public's attitude to copyright infringement is to claim that it isn't theft. Perhaps to describe it with an innocuous term like "sharing."
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Unfortunately life is a multitude of shades between those two. Throwing one time infringers in the slammer along with rapist and drug scum is NOT going to solve a damn thing. |
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A lot of these problems have arisen because the content distributors simply do not want to reconsider their business model in the light of such massive technological and cultural change. NetFlix and such one charge, unlimited content services are the future of electronic content but the big companies are extremely resistant to applying this simple idea more widely. Digital distribution should be about services not content. Threats and draconian actions will not help. This is a good article in the New York Times by a law professor about the difference between theft and copying: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/29/op...2&ref=opinion& Last edited by corroonb; 10-01-2012 at 08:52 PM. |
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"cheating on taxes" "national pastime" I'd say that there are, in most countries, only a minority of teenagers who never once engage in theft, however you define it. My claim is that most people occasionally engage in some form of theft, and we should discourage this without ruining their lives. In most languages, there are few eBooks. In most countries, there are few eReaders. So I'm guessing most books are still stolen the old fashioned way. As for music, in living memory, almost all the theft was probably in form of sneaking into live performances. This is mildly wrong but still wrong. Lastly, the copying gadgets. Most people in the world, even if they have televisions, don't have copying gadgets. As for creating bootleg LP's, I'm 57 years old and never heard of this, but it sounds like the kind of theft a rich toff would engage in, while the poor fellow was slipping a 45* into his jacket. ________________ * P.S.: 45 RPM record intended! We're in a gun-free school zone here, I hope. Last edited by SteveEisenberg; 10-01-2012 at 09:23 PM. |
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