07-26-2014, 04:55 PM | #16 |
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Sure, I have no argument with the position that publishers are free to charge retailers whatever price they want the retailer to pay. If they want to charge the retailer $5 to $500 for each copy it's completely up to them. I don't agree that they should have any say in how much markup the retailer adds if any. That interferes without any right in the retailers' running of his business in the way he sees fit. If the publisher thinks the retailer is selling a product too cheaply the publisher should raise the wholesale price.
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07-26-2014, 06:56 PM | #17 |
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Books have been much more expensive in Australia for quite a long time. I have bought books in Canada which had prices in AUS/CAD/US/UK on the spine. The Australian price was always close to double the CAD one and their dollar was worth more. This is going back at least 30 years IIRC.
I asked an Australian friend who went back every two years if this was the case with all goods, and she told me no. It was often the case with imported items, but even books printed in Australia, which the one I asked her about was, were sold high in Australia but would be shipped to other countries and sold cheaper there. Nothing to do with agency then. Helen |
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07-26-2014, 08:32 PM | #18 | |
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Now, price maintenance schemes such as agency do reduce competition between retailers. But agency didn't destroy competition between Penguin and Bertelsmann, or Hachette and Perseus. What destroys competition between the publishers is mergers and acquisitions. This is especially true of the Penguin Random House deal, since, more often than with Hachette and Perseus, Penguin and Random House might have been bidding on the same book. If I ran the world (not a good idea), I would give the publishers agency in return for banning mergers. |
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07-26-2014, 09:17 PM | #19 |
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Here's my suggested pricing... $9.99 for a book in hardcover $5.99 for a book in paperback $3.99 for a book out of print That's reasonable to me. |
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07-26-2014, 10:48 PM | #21 | |
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At the lowest price point of $14.99 we seem to be talking books available as MMPB. Discounts later are of course at the discretion of the publisher. |
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07-26-2014, 10:59 PM | #23 | |
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07-27-2014, 12:26 AM | #24 |
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Darryl another thing is that the arguments about factoring comparative average earnings between countries (and other indices) don't make much sense to me because book buying is a discretionary purchase item, unless of course the book is a compulsory text for a course.
So as a discretionary expenditure book buying just sits in with all the other items, big and small, that either make the budget now or at some other point in time. For me, fiction paper book buying was just a no go spend (with rare exception) no matter how much money I earnt. Fiction books were library only reads for me. Unless of course, the books were being passed around by and between friends. As to non-fiction books, there was and still is a chance that I may buy the book rather than borrow it from the library, but not very often. Ebook shopping via Kobo India has given me such a breadth of books to indulge my intellect and at such cheap prices (esp using Contest and other codes) that I now spend money on books that I rarely did before. To me it seems that the Aus book market doesn't set prices that attract quantity sales - much to their own loss!! |
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In fact, I recall reading where it was cheaper by a country mile to fly an employee to the US to buy Adobe products there (from memory) than it was to buy the same product here. And the company did in fact do that!! |
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07-27-2014, 12:38 AM | #26 | |
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Market conditions between Australia and India are quite different, therefore, so will retail prices generally speaking. Only recently have people been able to shop across borders and this will affect local businesses in the future. Perhaps, the general economy by means of higher unemployment and increased taxes. |
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07-27-2014, 12:45 AM | #27 | |
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And yet they seem to want to charge more and have less customers, rather than charge a lesser price and have more customers. They've clung to some sort of logic that really hasn't produced the best financial results for them or for our Aus authors. |
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07-27-2014, 01:47 AM | #28 | |
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I can see nothing that is happening which is inconsistent with the view that the big Publishers, both in Australia and Worldwide, want to try and preserve a status quo rendered obsolete by technology. Like most industries that have found themselves in such a position, and there are many, the participants have lobbied endlessly and sought legislation to protect their failing business models. Geographic restrictions are an attempt to destroy the one world market created by the Internet and EBooks, by artificially recreating the plethora of world markets that used to exist. The major problems for the Publishers is that there is little justification for doing this other than their own vested interests, and that the technology used is easily circumvented. Further, the only way that this can be made to work is by a combination of geo-blocking technology and draconian legislation ruthlessly enforced. And for what gain? And of course, as you say, in the case of books the spending is discretionary! How on earth do they believe that they can succeed? Better for them to face facts and come up with a profitable business model that works in the new market. |
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07-27-2014, 02:10 AM | #29 | |
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I'm sure it's very frustrating. Maybe instead one should look at all the positives to living in Australia: high standard of living, friendly people, great weather, low crime, accessible health care, affordable housing, beautiful countryside, beaches, flora and fauna, stability, prosperity. It's no wonder Australians are listed as one of the happiest in the world. http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/20/travel...ries-to-visit/ Perhaps, that's worth paying a few dollars more for books. |
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07-27-2014, 02:46 AM | #30 | |
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I'm not sure what country you yourself are from, but each have their advantages and disadvantages. The US is also a very lucky country, as is the UK, New Zealand and others. That does not mean that readers in any country deserve to be ripped-off. Last edited by darryl; 07-27-2014 at 05:04 AM. |
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