Mary Stewart - Arthurian Saga - Page 3

Catlady · 01-16-2017, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

Yes, I did contact Amazon and nothing has happened. Hodder & Stoughton are trying to get these eBooks taken down.If they are having trouble, I think I'd get nowhere.

That's not my question. Since you're all up in arms about these books and have been for months, have you contacted HC and Stewart's estate? And how did Amazon respond to you?

JSWolf · 01-16-2017, 05:54 PM

Besides the fact that the cover for The Crystal Cave is using the UK cover (US & UK books have different covers), there is no way HarperCollins would be going exclusive with Amazon. These eBooks are not available at any other publisher. Why is that? Because Amazon makes is very easy to game the system. And guess what? The system has been gamed.

Given all of the evidence in front of you, I fell sorry for those of you not seeing that's right in front of you. I would think you would at least listen to a LEGITIMATE RIGHTS HOLDER saying that the eBooks on Amazon.com are bogus.

JSWolf · 01-16-2017, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Catlady

Did you ever contact HarperCollins, Mary Stewart's estate, or Amazon? If so, what did they say? If you didn't, why not?

If I did or did not does not change the legal status of these eBooks.

Catlady · 01-16-2017, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

If I did or did not does not change the legal status of these eBooks.

If you believe so strongly in what you say, why aren't you contacting people who can do something about it, rather than engaging in the pointless exercise of trying to convince forum members whose opinion does not matter in the least?

AnemicOak · 01-16-2017, 11:25 PM

Oh goody, yet another thread going over the same ground about if these are pirated eBooks or not.

pdurrant · 01-17-2017, 12:56 AM

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Originally Posted by pwalker8

It also doesn't show the audiobooks either. Are you asserting those are pirated as well?

Not at all, since the audio books are by Blackstone Audio.

But you're asserting that the ebooks by EOS are legitimate. EOS is now called Harper Voyager, and is part of Harper Collins. Therefore, the ebooks should be on the Harper Collins website if they are legitimate.

pdurrant · 01-17-2017, 01:02 AM

Oh, and as to why Harper Collins aren't stamping out this pirate: They have no standing with Amazon to do so. They do not have the rights to the ebooks in the USA. No publisher has. And so it'll need action by the author's estate to get these books taken down.

Sweetpea · 01-17-2017, 02:06 AM

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

The audiobooks are legit. The eBooks are as bogus as a four dollar bill.

Please read what's being said and look at the evidence. If you are unable to do that, then please remove your head from the where you've currently got it stuck and have a look.

Your saying the eBooks are legit is spreading an outright lie.

The ebooks are legit. It's not an outright lie. It's just a matter of perspective. They are completely legit for me. Maybe not for you, but I can buy them completely legit.

pdurrant · 01-17-2017, 03:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Sweetpea

The ebooks are legit. It's not an outright lie. It's just a matter of perspective. They are completely legit for me. Maybe not for you, but I can buy them completely legit.

While I agree that you can buy the ebooks from Amazon, why would you want to give money to crooks?

JSWolf · 01-17-2017, 06:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Sweetpea

The ebooks are legit. It's not an outright lie. It's just a matter of perspective. They are completely legit for me. Maybe not for you, but I can buy them completely legit.

Actually, it's not legit. You are not buying the eBooks from the rights holder. You are buying the eBooks from someone who illegally put them up on Amazon. Also, knowing they are not legit makes your transaction not legit as well.

Sorry to say, but the books are not legit and your buying them is also not legit.

Sweetpea · 01-17-2017, 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

Actually, it's not legit. You are not buying the eBooks from the rights holder. You are buying the eBooks from someone who illegally put them up on Amazon. Also, knowing they are not legit makes your transaction not legit as well.

Sorry to say, but the books are not legit and your buying them is also not legit.

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Originally Posted by pdurrant

While I agree that you can buy the ebooks from Amazon, why would you want to give money to crooks?

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

You seriously have that way wrong. There are legit legal eBooks in the UK. Hodder & Stoughton are the legal publisher with the rights.

I can buy those books perfectly legal, even at kobo btw (which I won't do as it has DRM), but it all depends on your frame of reference. Just saying you cannot buy those ebooks legally is simply not telling the whole truth. It's a matter of perspective. If I look from this side of the ocean it's legal, if you look from the other side, it's not. And that's the most silly thing about these publishing rights...

pwalker8 · 01-17-2017, 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by pdurrant

Oh, and as to why Harper Collins aren't stamping out this pirate: They have no standing with Amazon to do so. They do not have the rights to the ebooks in the USA. No publisher has. And so it'll need action by the author's estate to get these books taken down.

What makes you believe that? HarperCollins certainly has the rights to sell the paper version of the books. They could simply be asserting that they also have the ebook rights as well. As far as not having standing, if someone else claiming to be EOS is doing so, then HarperCollins absolutely has legal standing to tell Amazon that it's not an EOS book. They still own the rights to that name.

pwalker8 · 01-17-2017, 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Catlady

If you believe so strongly in what you say, why aren't you contacting people who can do something about it, rather than engaging in the pointless exercise of trying to convince forum members whose opinion does not matter in the least?

When I contacted Amazon about the pirated version of some of the Roger Zelazny ebooks, they said they would check on it and it was taken down within a week. I checked with Amazon about these particular books last fall and was told they were legit. Of course, this was a customer service rep and not Amazon legal, so it's hardly authoritarian, but it's pretty obvious that some here don't understand the legalities of the matter.

Once Amazon is made aware of the questionable legal status of an ebook, they are no longer protected by the safe harbor clause. Tying a pirated ebook to a legit audiobook would also increase their legal liability if Lady Stewart's estate decided to sue over the matter.

Rather interestingly, none of the reviews claim that it's a pirated version. Usually, with a questionable ebook, people who care enough to review the book, are the first to point out that it isn't a legit copy. With the Zelazny ebook mentioned above, the reviews were all "This is a pirated copy, don't buy".

BearMountainBooks · 01-17-2017, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by pwalker8

What makes you believe that? HarperCollins certainly has the rights to sell the paper version of the books. They could simply be asserting that they also have the ebook rights as well. As far as not having standing, if someone else claiming to be EOS is doing so, then HarperCollins absolutely has legal standing to tell Amazon that it's not an EOS book. They still own the rights to that name.

Many companies do this all the time--they have the print rights and assert claim on ALL the rights, especially in absence of a counter claim. If this is the case, they would be paying the author's estate under the same terms (most likely--assuming no estate signed different terms or argued against even worse terms). Publishers did this when ebooks became popular and many authors never fussed about it. Those who did, got their rights back and/or negotiated better contracts for the ebook. If no one at the estate is paying attention, they could easily be publishing the book under old contract terms since there has been no argument.

pdurrant · 01-17-2017, 09:33 AM

I'm agreeing with JSWolf that the editions in question are being fraudulently published by a third party without payment to the author's estate.

I am not suggesting that the editions in question are really being published by Harper Collins under some kind of rights grab.

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01-16-2017, 05:54 PM	#32
JSWolf Resident Curmudgeon Posts: 73,894 Karma: 128597114 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Roslindale, Massachusetts Device: Kobo Libra 2, Kobo Aura H2O, PRS-650, PRS-T1, nook STR, PW3	Besides the fact that the cover for The Crystal Cave is using the UK cover (US & UK books have different covers), there is no way HarperCollins would be going exclusive with Amazon. These eBooks are not available at any other publisher. Why is that? Because Amazon makes is very easy to game the system. And guess what? The system has been gamed. Given all of the evidence in front of you, I fell sorry for those of you not seeing that's right in front of you. I would think you would at least listen to a LEGITIMATE RIGHTS HOLDER saying that the eBooks on Amazon.com are bogus.

01-16-2017, 11:25 PM	#35
AnemicOak Bookaholic Posts: 14,391 Karma: 54969924 Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Minnesota Device: iPad Mini 4, AuraHD, iPhone XR +	Oh goody, yet another thread going over the same ground about if these are pirated eBooks or not.

01-17-2017, 01:02 AM	#37
pdurrant The Grand Mouse 高貴的老鼠 Posts: 71,495 Karma: 306214458 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Norfolk, England Device: Kindle Voyage	Oh, and as to why Harper Collins aren't stamping out this pirate: They have no standing with Amazon to do so. They do not have the rights to the ebooks in the USA. No publisher has. And so it'll need action by the author's estate to get these books taken down.

01-17-2017, 09:33 AM	#45
pdurrant The Grand Mouse 高貴的老鼠 Posts: 71,495 Karma: 306214458 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Norfolk, England Device: Kindle Voyage	I'm agreeing with JSWolf that the editions in question are being fraudulently published by a third party without payment to the author's estate. I am not suggesting that the editions in question are really being published by Harper Collins under some kind of rights grab.

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