10-08-2012, 11:29 PM | #136 | ||
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There is a moral claim for punishing burglars. That doesn't mean that we are torn between executing them or not punishing them at all. There are lots of countervailing claims. Quote:
There are at least two good reasons for extending copyright beyond death. The first is to allow the purchaser to have some certainty about what he's buying: otherwise, you might hesitate to buy the rights to a work produced by an older person or a person with a disease, out of fear that if the person died, the work would suddenly be in the public domain and you would have wasted your money. The second, related reason, is that it insures that even elderly writers can get a decent amount of money for their works...otherwise, publishers might just hold off on buying anything from someone 70+, on the theory that it would become free soon enough. |
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10-09-2012, 12:33 AM | #137 |
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Just by looking at your device list I see that you actually do believe in individual rights and private property. Perhaps not where others' rights are concerned?
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10-09-2012, 03:37 AM | #138 | |
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And he's been dead for almost 3000 years. The "no copyright = no money" argument is clearly contradicted by facts. OTOH, if Homer was still in copyright, Dan Simmons could not have had permissions to write "Ilium" and "Olympus", two great novels with Homer's characters. |
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10-09-2012, 03:45 AM | #139 |
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I bet you the current copyright owners (Al Capone Literary Enterprises, Inc of Troy, Ill.) would have taken about 1 millisecond before agreeing to give him a licence in return for a cut of the take.
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10-09-2012, 04:42 AM | #140 |
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10-09-2012, 04:47 AM | #142 | |
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Also if copyright is motivated by the principle of maximizing some kind of utility then of course and overriding principle of creators deserving o be paid is not consistent with the copyright laws. |
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A lot of these copyright discussions just gets so bad because people just assume that there choice of the fundamental principles are the only one. |
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It is in fact a reductio ad absurdum. I'm not sure how I'm misrepresenting an argument here. Some did suggest an author had a moral right to be rewarded for their labour. I asked some questions about the implications of such an argument. I took the argument seriously and drew out the unintended logical implications of such an argument. I did not say that the person actually believed these consequent implications.That is not a strawman. The explicit argument was made in the other piracy thread just below and perhaps this argument should have gone in that thread but both threads had common participants and a similar sort of moral argument against copyright infringement (it's theft). Proposition 1 = An author has a moral right to be rewarded for their labour . This is a basis for copyright law. Propostion 2 = Copyright law should extend beyond death. Conclusion = an author has a moral right to be rewarded after death for their labor. I simply made the point that if one bases arguments for copyright law on an author's moral right to be rewarded, then it is incoherent to both extend this right beyond death and to limit this right to 100 years. If the author has a moral right to be rewarded after death, why should it end after 70 years? Why 70 years? Why not 20 years? I made the not unreasonable assumption that a moral argument trumps all other arguments as a basis for decision making for an individual. I said nothing about practical considerations and neither did the person making this argument. Quote:
There is a moral claim for punishing burglars when they are alive. It makes little sense to punish them when they are dead or to punish their heirs. Quote:
Have people suddenly stopped buying public domain books since ProjectGutenberg? Wouldn't publishers make nothing from publishing public domain books if your first point was correct? Last edited by corroonb; 10-09-2012 at 05:28 AM. |
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That hasn't happened yet, but pretty soon everybody and his dog will have an ereader (or at least a device that can be used for reading as well as easy access to PD books online). And then nobody will pay for PD books, anymore. So in the near future you won't be able to make money on PD books, period.
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Soon all ereaders will come preloaded with the entire PD, decently formatted no less, or at least have easy access to this. This might put penguin classics out of business, or it might force them to come up with a new business model.
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There must be more to it otherwise pirates would find themselves facing fraud charges rather than just copyright infringement. Anyone know more about it? Either way, theft is a distinct category afaik. |
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I have a shelf-full of Penguin classics. The reason they do - and will continue - to sell is their scholarly introductions, notes, etc. Money can be made by adding value such as this to a public domain text.
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If you lie on a webpage to obtain something, that is fraud. If you download it from a torrent site, you haven't lied to anybody, so it isn't. (Interestingly, shoplifting an item from a supermarket is theft, taking meat but paying paying for carrots at a self-service checkout is fraud, because you have lied to the machine.) |
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