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You do not get licenses to read. The distributor of the book probably had a license. A license to distribute copies with a specific DRM on it. I would say that the problem is that you are breaking the contract by removing the DRM. In the same way as you do when you buy books from bookstores and remove the DRM. |
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Ok, let me explain further:
The library buys a licence to lend out a certain number of copies of the book simultaneously. For the sake of illustration, let's suppose it's 3 copies. 3 people borrow the book, including you, but you remove the DRM from your copy. Your loan expires, and the next person in the queue borrows the book. The library has only purchased a licence for 3 copies of the book, but there are now 4 readable copies: the 3 that are legitimately lent out, and your DRM-stripped copy. You have no legal right to retain your copy beyond the loan period. You are committing copyright infringement if you do so. |
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Right now, with the courts leaning towards "you license your ebooks instead of purchasing them," there's no legal difference in your rights to do things with the two kinds of ebooks. Keeping the library book longer than the borrow period may be a breach of contract, but it's not a violation of copyright law; no copy is made by keeping it. I really don't see any moral difference between stripping the DRM from a library book, and taping a show from HBO to watch it later. In both cases, you have access to copyrighted material for a limited time, and you're taking steps to make it available for personal use after that time is over. In both cases, you're not causing problems for anyone else who wants access. In both, if you hadn't kept a copy, you might've been convinced to buy it instead. There might even be more legal right to strip the DRM from a library book, if you want to read it on a device with features not supported by the DRM'd version--like TTS. |
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That said - many people won't abide by the honour system, because they feel many publishers are not acting honourably. As several people have said in this thread- charging $12 for the ebook, when the paperback is $8 is unjustifiable. To me, libraries are close to sacred - so I won't break their rules. But I do feel incensed by the despicable gouging publishers are subjecting libraries to. It's unconscionable. End of rant. |
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That very rarely happens. I buy a lot of commercial ebooks (normally 3-5 a week) and I generally pay no more than about 60-75% of the price of the paperback for them, which I think is reasonable.
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Honestly, I buy many books for less than paper, too, but also see I see higher than paper often here in Canada. I would consider 60-75% of paper very reasonable as well. And if it's a new release, 85-90%. The reductions would acknowledge the cost savings in paper, transport, storage etc, but provide a fair return on the other costs. We want people to keep writing.
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Is that because the list price of the ebook is higher than that of the pbook, or simply because the retailer has discounted the pbook more steeply? The publisher certainly can't be held responsible for the latter!
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That could be, and is a fair point. I'd never thought about the distinction - but it could be Amazon or Kobo / Indigo, instead of the publisher.
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If I think I'll be unable to finish a library book before the loan expires, I download from the Amazon Cloud to my second Kindle, turn off the wireless, and return the book. It disappears from my Paperwhite, appears again for loan at the library, and I then finish it at my leisure on my 'unwired' Kindle. No DRM is stripped and I assume nobody cares that I have circumvented the loan period by a few days. But perhaps someone will tell me otherwise.
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