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Old 02-10-2020, 03:21 PM   #91
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Lifestyle. Especially when a newspaper has a section with that name.
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Old 02-10-2020, 08:02 PM   #92
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Lifestyle. Especially when a newspaper has a section with that name.
Are there any that don't?

I still cringe whenever I hear 'Moving forward, the outlook for <whatever> for the next <however long> is... dismal/bright/bleak/buoyant."

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Old 02-11-2020, 01:52 PM   #93
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Are there any that don't?

I still cringe whenever I hear 'Moving forward, the outlook for <whatever> for the next <however long> is... dismal/bright/bleak/buoyant."

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Ugh, me too.

I'm also getting tired of "Holy Grail." "Finding a complete skeleton is the Holy Grail of paleontology." "Not losing your socks is the Holy Grail of appliance manufacturers."
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Old 02-11-2020, 07:07 PM   #94
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I hope the overuse of "Holy Grail" has't soured you on wampeters in general.
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Old 02-11-2020, 08:37 PM   #95
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I hope the overuse of "Holy Grail" has't soured you on wampeters in general.
I remember reading Wampeters, Foma & Granfalloons a long time ago, but I don't recall reading the Books of Bokonon. Was there a Holy Grail in there?
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Old 02-11-2020, 09:18 PM   #96
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I remember reading Wampeters, Foma & Granfalloons a long time ago, but I don't recall reading the Books of Bokonon. Was there a Holy Grail in there?
No. The Holy Grail was just used as an example of a wampeter.

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Dear Reader: The title of this book is composed of three words from my novel Cat's Cradle. A "wampeter" is an object around which the lives of many otherwise unrelated people may revolve. The Holy Grail would be a case in point. "Foma" are harmless untruths, intended to comfort simple souls. An example: "Prosperity is just around the corner." A "granfalloon" is a proud and meaningless association of human beings. Taken together, the words form as good an umbrella as any for this collection of some of the reviews and essays I've written, a few of the speeches I made.
The Books of Bokonon were fictitious. They were the scriptures of Bokonism from Vonnegut's fictitious religion in Cat's Cradle.

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Old 02-12-2020, 02:14 AM   #98
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No. The Holy Grail was just used as an example of a wampeter.

The Books of Bokonon were fictitious. They were the scriptures of Bokonism from Vonnegut's fictitious religion in Cat's Cradle.
Wow, I don't remember any of that. Maybe it's time to read that book again.-)
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Old 02-12-2020, 01:43 PM   #100
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Oh, yes! How did I forget this one? One of the cheapest, smarmiest phrases in existence.
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Old 02-13-2020, 04:28 PM   #102
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Along with that, in the food world at least, is heirloom. Often meaning fruits and vegetables from seeds prior to selective breeding (aka old style GMO). Except that selective breeding has been going on for as long as humans have been farming, although not as sophisticated as today's.
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"I could have told you that."

Well, why didn't you, then?
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Old 02-18-2020, 04:10 PM   #104
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Vegan Leather.
It's just the same old PVC and PU made out of oil that we have had for maybe over 80 years to make really cheap shoes and jackets, but marketed at x10 the price.
Almost no real leather is deliberately farmed. It's a by product of the meat and dairy industries.
By all means campaign for more ethical farming and less or no dairy and meat production, but "Vegan Leather" is nothing to do with that. It's Marketing and poor for the environment (uses oil, wears out much faster, not recyclable).

Look up the history and production of PVC and Polyurethane (PU).

Over 80 years ago the Germans did develop a synthetic leather basically from paper, ie rags and tree pulp. Cheap paper, Cellulose, Viscose etc are made from sustainable softwood trees. Bamboo Fibre clothes are not, they are a form of Viscose made from processed bamboo.

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Almost no real leather is deliberately farmed. It's a by product of the meat and dairy industries.
That's what I was thinking, but then why is leather so expensive? The processing and turning the hide into leather? Considering how much beef we eat in the US I'd think that leather should be cheap.
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