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Fair Use vs Fair Dealing and... Brexit?
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09-24-2016, 01:43 PM | #2 |
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Would you mind giving a brief summary please, some of us don't want to wade through the legalese.
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Fair use allows up to 10% of a work to be used without having to gain permission if I remember correctly. That usually applies to longer books rather than songs or short poems which are fairly short to start with. So I could reference a book that you wrote on the history of cheese manufacturing for example while writing my own book about the state of Wisconsin (a big cheese making state) without having to obtain permission from you. On the other hand if you wrote a song about making cheese I would have to get your permission before including it in my book.
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09-24-2016, 05:24 PM | #4 |
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Given that their initial assertion is demonstrably false, i.e. publishing has not only function, but flourished for most of it's history in areas that did not play by the same copyright rules and did not extend that protection to works published outside their area, it's kind of hard to take the blog post seriously. What the author is basically saying is "We have a really sweet deal and don't want anything or anyone to upset the golden goose".
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Fair use allows you to do pretty much anything (reference, extract quotes, analyze the text, index it) that doesn't unduly devalue the property rights of the creator when weighed against the common good. Fair dealing only allows you to do those very specific things that a law says you can. If it isn't listed in a pre-existing law, you can't legally do it. More detailed: The difference is rooted in the differences between legal systems--common law vs Napoleonic. As pointed out in the article, the Authors Guild lawsuit against Google is a perfect example of the difference in outlook. The AG claimed that Google wasn't authorized by any law or contract to scan, index, and dynamically extract short quotes via computer. Google's defense was "we don't need permission. We're not presenting or distributing copies of the books, merely quoting small pieces so people can more easily find relevant books." The Court (eventually) came to the conclusion that Google's effort was legal because they merely computerized a pre-existing practice that was known to be legal. The precedent that reviewers or scholars quoting chunks of text is Fair Use was deemed close enough to what Google was doing via automation to render it legal. Under Common Law precedents, automating a legal process doesn't make it illegal. It still took over a decade to fight it out in court and sort out the nuances. Under Fair Dealing it would have been a lot simpler: without a law saying Google could scan the books it would have been illegal to even try. Google would have first had to beg (or bribe) Congress to pass a law permitting them to scan the books. There still would've been ten years (or more) of fighting but nothing could be done over those ten years. Another example is ebook pricing: in the US an ebook has always been considered just another publishing format and taxed (if at all) the same as any other product. In the EU it is (still) considered a digital service and taxed like software until laws are passed allowing equal treatment. Which may or not happen. The recent directive from the EU merely ssys the countries will be permitted to tax ebooks the same as print. Not that they have to. The new laws might get blocked. Fair Use is seen as a more flexible and faster mechanism to deal with IP rights debates. Not all disputes take ten years. Many are settled within months or laughed right out of court. Different societies, different attitudes. And sometimes subtle differences add up over time. The author of the article posits that the UK, freed of the obligation to adhere to Fair Dealing is now free to consider whether to remain under Fair Dealing or adopt (return?) to Fair Use doctrines. I'm not sure whether he is right or not but the choice, if made, could make an impact. It's... interesting... Last edited by fjtorres; 09-24-2016 at 06:07 PM. |
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Thank you for clearing that up for me. I'm not sure how Brexit might affect Fair Use (something I know a tiny bit about because of my youtube vids sometimes being challenged on copyright grounds when I've used a small amount of music).
Do countries in the EU (apart from the UK) have the same copyright laws: death+70? Is this likely to change when we leave the EU? Personally, I'm all for a total divorce from the EU (including the single market) but wasn't aware that it might affect ebooks in anyway. It would be great if ebooks weren't taxed, just as pbooks aren't. |
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09-25-2016, 02:06 PM | #8 |
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Unfortunately the UK is a life+70 country. If only it would change to life+50 which I think is enough, but that's getting off-thread.
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Unless your Youtube videos are using copyrighted music for one of these three purposes, I'm afraid it's very likely that you are breaking the law. The government has a page of advice on the matter at: https://www.gov.uk/guidance/exceptions-to-copyright Last edited by HarryT; 09-26-2016 at 06:17 AM. |
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09-27-2016, 12:49 AM | #11 |
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@Harry, that's interesting, one of my vids (of cats) was challenged because of copyright due to some music which went with it. The video was muted for a while until someone commented that I could get the ban lifted. Via pm, he told me in detail how to do this. At the time (a few years ago) it was possible to challenge a copyright ban on the grounds of fair use and I think this is what I did. Anyway, the mute was lifted.
Maybe youtube are based somewhere where fair use exists? I don't know which country's laws they are subject to. If anyone is interested, I'm 'muskndusk' on youtube. These days I just make asmr relaxation videos. I'm not advertising my vids by the way, none of them are monetised, just thought I'd mention this in case you want to check that none of them are muted. A little off thread, maybe ... Last edited by BookCat; 09-27-2016 at 12:52 AM. |
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