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Reiner was unique, and that wasn't the Court's entire ruling, nor the context; the Supremes never said that an innocent person can take the Fifth willy-nilly; they said, in Reiner:
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06-03-2013, 08:41 PM | #17 |
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I still stand by my original statement. Invoking the 5th amendment does not and cannot imply guilt. The courts have said over and over again that a defendent cannot be forced to testify and and jury cannot use use that plea to assume guilt.
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It's interesting to read Apple's defense. They seem to be making marketing sound bites for the media coverage rather then making a defense on the charges.
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06-04-2013, 09:39 PM | #20 |
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I won't buy anything from Apple. I did a price comparison of books I bought before 4/1/2010 when agency pricing went into effect, with their prices a couple years later. I took advantage of a lot of sales, and I calculated that I paid about $900 for close to 500 ebooks, and the price I would have had to pay for them 2 years later was about $3600. Yes, 4 times as much. Furthermore, none of them were bought from Amazon. Thank you very not, Apple. I hope Apple loses big and wastes a lot of money on an unsuccessful appeal.
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06-05-2013, 08:22 AM | #22 |
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So, opposing a conspiracy is a bad thing?
Let's face it, the conspiracy did wonderful things for Amazon but by publicly (and apparently, privately) opposing it vigorously they kept their hands clean *and* still reaped bigger benefits than anybody this side of Apple. If it weren't for the millions of consumers that got ripped-off, this farce would actually be funny. |
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What's funniest is that the publishers were all tricked into believing that their best course of action was to illegally (potentially illegal, to be generous) conspire to create a situation where Amazon could make even more money selling their books ... all to gain a tiny sliver (a tiny, almost ALL profit sliver, mind you) of the ebook pie for Apple. How do you kill a giant? Apparently by helping them make even more money selling a product they've already proven themselves to be more adept than everybody else at selling.
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Yeah I found that humerous. Amazon was making more money and the Publishers were making less. This was good for them how?
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The list of fallout from the conspiracy is looonnnggg...
Just off the top of my head: - scaring the big asian CE companies out of the dedicated reader device market (Samsung, Asus, Acer...) and effectively foreclosing the North American market to Sony and the second tier vendors that stayed in the business - crippling (and eventually killing) at least some of the independent ebookstores just as ereader adoption peaked - iBooks was the kiss of death for ADEPT-based ebook interoperability - BPH ebook prices went up, indie ebook prices went down -- indie ebooks became respectable - With ebook price competition off the table as a differentiator, ebookstore customer experience became the top driver of customer choice -- Amazon became the safe buy by default for mainstream buyers. - Amazon US market share stayed (at worst) flat *after* the Fix kicked in; Apple's gains came at the expense of everybody else in the epub world - Amazon's worldwide share grew, both in hardware and ebooks Yup! They really showed Amazon a thing or two with their conspiracy. |
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No one said it was an effective tactic. Stupid, illegal, and ineffective. I hope they get hit with a huge fine and that money fnds its way back to the consumer. Well at least 10% of that money, probably less then that.
And I love my IPad. Love it. Use it every day. Heck it has become my primary e-reader. But Dude, they cost me money and for something that didn't even benefit them in the short or long run. |
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06-05-2013, 10:28 AM | #29 |
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While I'm not a fan of the higher prices the Agency model brought, in a way I'm grateful to it. Without it, it's entirely possible that we'd be at the mercy of an Amazon monopsony. Without Agency I doubt that Kobo would exist in its current form, and Barnes & Nobel might have been forced out of the ebook business ages ago. There would be Amazon and the small niche publishers like Baen, and that's it.
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