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07-18-2009, 11:02 AM | #47 |
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The article is not about a publisher pulling out and that publisher's eBooks then being removed from Kindles. It about the illegal George Orwell eBooks being deleted. So can we get it right here instead of going off half-cocked over something that didn't actually happen?
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07-18-2009, 11:07 AM | #48 | |
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And the other question... why did you (the figurative you meaning everyone who has a Kindle and is concerned/complaining) buy a Kindle knowing Amazon has access to the Kindle via wireless access? |
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07-18-2009, 11:24 AM | #50 | |
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They certainly didn't inform individual purchasers, "[Book X] has been removed from your Kindle because Amazon discovered it didn't have the right to sell it to you in the first place." If the books were removed for copyright law violations, the customers who were inconvenienced by that removal should've been informed that this was a legal decision, not a business one (related to, for example, contract re-negotiations where an old version is pulled to make a new one available). Of course, to do that, they'd have to tell customers "we don't actually check the legality of the sales conducted at our website--and when someone decides to cheat us, we pass that along & you get to deal with the fallout." |
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07-18-2009, 11:26 AM | #52 | |
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07-18-2009, 11:31 AM | #53 | |
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Amazon has now changed there policy and will no remove the books in these cases. So they seemed not to think that they have to remove the books. |
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It is easy enough to check whether or not a book is in the public domain. If you find that it is not, how can you find out whether a particular publisher has the legal right to distribute it? Demand that every publisher produce a copy of their contract with the copyright holder? It might be forged, even if they did! Realistically, all that Amazon can do is require that a publisher state that they have the legal right to publish the books that they submit to Amazon - and that is precisely what they currently do. What would you recommend that they do? |
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But it has been both "reproduced" and "distributed", Tommy. I'm pretty sure that the copy on the Kindle would be illegal.
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1) When a book is pulled for copyright infringement (or potential copyright infringement, because I don't think any actual suits have been filed in any of these cases), inform customers, "this ebook has been pulled from our library because we have received legal notification that it is not permitted to be offered for sale. It has been pulled from individual Kindles to avoid making you complicit in a copyright infringement lawsuit." Personally, I think the likelihood that individual buyers are liable is low; I think that copyright infringement works differently from theft laws, and distribution is illegal but reception is not. However, Amazon's lawyers could think differently. In any case, they should inform customers that the books were pulled to avoid lawsuits, not because Amazon made a better business deal with someone else, or the files were damaged, or whatever else customers might think when they get Amazon's vague notifications. 2) Stop allowing individual uploads of titles without a more stringent confirmation process, possibly involving signed-and-notarized documents, not a webclick that says "yeah, I have the right to distribute this text." Require at least as much ID and legal liability statements as physical publishers demand before publication. Amazon is not Scribd; they shouldn't accept "by clicking on this button, I promise I'm not breaking any laws. Signed, SuperPirate007@haxx0rz.com." 3) Hire someone, or a small pack of someones, to assemble a list of popular classics that aren't in the public domain in the US, and track down the copyright owner for each of those, so they know if they become available as legit ebooks. This could be as small as ~500 titles, or as big as they care to allocate resources for. This part takes resources on their part--time and money both. But Amazon's entered the publishing industry, and they should be allocating resources towards "what do customers want; what will they pay for; what already exists in the marketplace elsewhere?" Assembling a list of books that don't yet exist as ebooks, but sell very well as pbooks, is not a ridiculous thing for them to do. This can work in their favor--had Amazon specifically approached the Rand Institute about ebooks, they might've been able to convince the institute that a Kindle edition would be a very profitable thing. Now, even if they do so, a lot of customers will be wary about purchasing it. |
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