10-17-2017, 10:42 PM | #76 | |
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They can discount paper books but not the ebooks from the big 5. They pay a percentage per each e-book sold. There is no adversary. They made a deal. So I wish people would quit saying that stuff. As to libraries and Amazon it is called libraries don't want to pay for ebooks that won't get borrowed. |
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10-17-2017, 10:51 PM | #77 | |
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Publishers have a freedom-to-read responsibility to make their products available to public libraries, and at prices good libraries can, even if painfully, afford. This is how publishers can balance their responsibility as good citizens with fiduciary duties to employees, authors, and stockholders. When a best-selling product isn't in any library, that is evidence of failure to exercise said responsibility to make sure reading, including eReading, won't be restricted to the affluent. |
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10-17-2017, 11:01 PM | #78 |
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Never said they did, but they also don't have to court library sales on their website either. Was just pointing out that they don't seem to be against it for physical books, but anything digital they want to keep locked up tight to their own ecosystem for the most part (which stinks).
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10-18-2017, 01:09 AM | #79 |
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I seem to remember quite a few American Kindle owners who borrowed and continue to borrow Kindle format ebooks from their local libraries. The objection I've seen in Canada are basically the cost and the potential violation of privacy laws. While epubs are loaned by the library from their servers, borrowing a Kindle ebook redirects you to Amazon for the loan which is enough to give the average library's privacy maven a conniption fit -- the stance of the Canadian Library Association is that information on patrons should only be disclosed when required by law -- if you want information on a patron's borrowing habits, get a court order first.
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10-18-2017, 02:47 AM | #80 | |
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And if you believe publishers are providing their books to libraries at prices they can afford, I would, to quote another poster, like whatever you are smoking. Admittedly they have improved a little, but prices to libraries are still basically extortionate. You have accused Amazon of an ebook boycott of public libraries based on the fact that you couldn't find some books you searched for. Whilst you may prove to be correct, logically it simply does not follow. Amazon has been the subject of calls for boycotts from all sorts of Luddites and supporters of the way things were which recur frequently. Many bookstores apparently did boycott Amazon titles and as far as I know still do. It is no great leap to conclude it is equally plausible that Overdrive and others are boycotting Amazon titles. And even more plausible that neither Amazon nor Overdrive and other library suppliers have bothered. I would also suggest that Amazon Derangement Disorder is at such levels that any examples or evidence of Amazon refusing to supply its ebooks to public libraries would be a big story indeed. Perhaps this may even happen as a result of your post if you do prove to be correct. |
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10-18-2017, 11:14 AM | #81 | |
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The same privacy issues of Kindle lending have been brought up by many US librarians. |
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A possible conflict for Amazon could be the fact that unlike other publishers it operates its own subscription library.
To be honest I'd expect to see a version of Kindle Unlimited for public libraries before seeing Amazon exclusives on overdrive. |
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10-18-2017, 06:11 PM | #87 |
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So far no one seems to have found any Apub works on Overdrive. The question is why.
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10-18-2017, 10:00 PM | #89 | |
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At least publicly, I don't think you would find many private businesses saying that their only responsibilities are to obey contract terms and keep up the stock price. But if that really is their only moral responsibility, you just gave a tremendous argument against capitalism. I don't recall anyone giving such a hyper-capitalist defense -- or any defense -- back when some of the big five refused to sell eBooks to public libraries. Then it was a major sin. But maybe I forget and/or maybe your opinion was different. Hardly any of the corporate players would publicly agree with your stockholder-focused description of their mission. For one example, Penguin Random House's owner, Bertelsmann, is in turn mostly owned by a charitable foundation. When I posted that before, a German poster questioned the sincerity of the arrangement (I can't recall, but maybe he called it a tax dodge). However it is partly the case that Penguin Random House is in business to help charities. And, even though I'm often an Amazon critic, I think that Jeff Bezos had a genuine public interest motive in buying the Washington Post (and subsequent adding reporters). He would never agree that the purpose of Amazon is to make stockholders as much money as possible while obeying his contracts. Last edited by SteveEisenberg; 10-18-2017 at 10:05 PM. |
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