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Old 03-06-2025, 05:21 PM   #76
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I removed the word "Help" from the first Example clips ini file and reworded it. This clip-entries.ini file will only get loaded by new Sigil users. This will not impact existing users.

The new first entry now says:

1\Name=Insert Clip
1\Text=Clips will insert their text at the current paste target when clicked. Right click for menu to add groups and entries. Edit or re-order any item. Handy for quickly inserting often used text clips.

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Without the word 'Help', it will be less misleading and possibly not encourage the unwary to click on that entry. That's the good part.

I edited the sigil_clips_v6.ini to see how it looks in my MacBook and Linux box. From my point of view, the only useful place is in the Clips pane where the message shows when the cursor hovers on the item. Hover doesn't produce a tool tip elsewhere.

The only place where "Right click for menu to add groups and entries." is true is in the Clip Editor. Elsewhere, the right click just produces 'Expand all, Collapse all'.
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Old 03-06-2025, 05:40 PM   #77
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That text is in an EXAMPLE clip. Those are primarily used in the Clips Editor as examples to help users design their own clips (especially by newbies).

The tooltip for a clip is always the contents of the clip. Nothing else.

It and its tooltip are meant to introduce new users of Sigil to clips. It is not meant for anthing else and is typically the first clip deleted and replaced by something more useful by the user..

So I am going to leave it as it stands now.
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Old 03-06-2025, 05:42 PM   #78
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Clips can be deleted in the Clip Editor. I deleted the "Help" clip two minutes after I inadvertently inserted it into the code, not seen it since.

Reading the text (from my saved default settings), I'm not sure it even makes sense in the context of the editing in Code View, or the Clips window.

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1\Name=Clips Help
1\Text=Right click for menu to add groups and entries. Edit or re-order any item. Use right click in editor to select which entry to paste.
Right click what… the inserted text?

It reads as if the actions available in the Clip Editor can be done directly from the CV context menu… or the Clips window.

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Old 03-06-2025, 06:38 PM   #79
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It was meant to be help for the clips editor.
But since people had issue with the word "help" ...

I am done with this topic. It only impacts new users and is meant to be an example only. Please focus instead on more meaningful improvements in this thread.

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Old 03-06-2025, 11:26 PM   #80
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It was meant to be help for the clips editor.
That makes sense.

Suggestion - put the text under buttons on the right, and remove it from the clips.ini file. Could even put a help button there and pop the relevant section of the manual maybe.

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I don't think we'll be going down that road. The standalone user guide is not going to become an integrated help file.
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Old 03-07-2025, 10:51 AM   #82
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And it is simply not worth my time to spend any more of it on an Example clip. If you do not like it delete it. Its previous version was meant to show help when a *new* user opens up the clips editor for the first time. And it has filled that function for over a decade or more. I understood that some people who do not read the user guide may be confused by the word "help" and so removed it. But that is as far as I will go for something that should not even exist in a user's production version of Sigil unless they never bothered to assign any of their own clips and just left the examples.
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