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So we're not even going to pretend to try and honor the OP'S wishes then, huh? Sad.
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My response was "It's population demographics. It will happen. As more people of color read the genre, and write in it, there will be more likelihood of people of color getting nominated for and receiving awards. The question isn't whether it will happen, it's when, and this discussion is ultimately about how to speed the process. Meanwhile, it's a popular vote. Vote with your wallet. Buy a supporting membership to an upcoming Worldcon, which will give you voting rights, and nominate stuff you think is worthy. When the ballots are issued, pick which you think should get awards." The people who nominate and vote for Hugo Awards are the members of the Worldcon that awards them. They are of necessity a tiny fraction of the total genre readership. (The Worldcon has between 5K and 10K members, depending on which one you point at.) Whether they are representative of the total genre readership is unknowable. But the folks administering the Hugos have been trying hard to get out the vote and increase the number of folks voting. (They've also been pushing hard to get copies of everything nominated to voting members in at least electronic form, so voters can actually read the works nominated that year. Many earlier awards had been "body of work" awards, because voters hadn't read current stuff nominated.) I've been involved in organized SF fandom for over four decades, and have worked on Worldcons among others. I know a lot of the folks involved in efforts to make the voting process more resilient and less subject to gaming. (And some of them have subject matter expertise in voting systems and actually know something about the topic.) They'll do their best to improve it. Perfection is not possible. ______ Dennis |
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The first thing i loved of hers was Akata Witch. I really need to get to read more of the novels, but I'm still revelling in The Obelisk Gate right now.
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It seems I am still diametrically opposed in my voting to most of the hugo voters
The winners of Novel, Novella & Novelette were all placed last in my voting, and my first choice came 4th or 5th in each. Still we agreed on short story so there may be some hope |
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You must have a very different definition of "shot" than I do (unless you're talking about a different irrelevant thread). And it's Sad or Rabid--no Dead.
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The other selections in those categories are no slouches either. It would have been hard for me to vote against Seveneves and The Builders myself (if I were a Hugo voter). I hadn't read any of the novelette noms.
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I've only read Uprooted, which I just finished on Sunday morning before I saw the results. I didn't really think it was up there with the greats, even though it has already won a couple of other awards. I was still sort of hoping it would win, since I've read every best novel winner to date, and it would have been nice not to have to go out of my way to read this year's.
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