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Libraries purchase licences. Adobe provide a tool for licence management. Nothing odd in libraries wanting to use a tool which aids them in their licence management. Happy to debate it with you, but in all seriousness I don't think you can reasonably call it an "odd" viewpoint for me to hold. |
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This is beside the point that, as stated, not all publishers seem to agree with the need, as evidenced by the Open EPUB offerings, not to mention the trend towards non-DRMed MP3 audiobooks. You may think it is essentially giving away the book; you may even be right. That doesn't really matter and neither do you -- your personal evaluation does not negate theirs, and you are arguing that DRM is fundamental to library eLoans, which is far more than just saying it is justifiable, and easily proven wrong. |
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It's likely, rather, that some publishers want it. So the question is still whether the reasons that some publishers want it are valid or not. There is evidence (namely the success of DRM-free publishers) that they are not valid. So if DRM is not helping anyone much, and is hurting legitimate users (by increasing support and infrastructure needs, and inhibiting fair use) then it should be done away with, as it would be merely a cash cow for Adobe. The evidence I've listed is not proof, and I'm open to being shown that DRM really does save publishers lots of money by significantly reducing infringement and protecting sales, in excess of the costs of implementing the DRM, but I have not seen any evidence of such. ApK Last edited by ApK; 10-08-2014 at 11:02 AM. |
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We can tell, because in fact your library ISN'T synced. Your PURCHASES are. (You can also explicitly email Amazon your book and have them add it to your Kindle Cloud, with the option selected on MYK to save it and sync annotations data. In other words, YOU asked THEM.) |
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Because I happen to believe that library DRM is a perfectly legitimate use of DRM, whereas bookstore DRM is simply an inconvenience for users.
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Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, and all that. Last edited by ApK; 10-08-2014 at 11:12 AM. |
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It's not a red herring. Remember that Amazon too do time-limiting DRM, for their "Kindle Owners' Lending Library", and also for textbook rental. I maintain my view that time-limiting is an entirely legitimate use for the technology, and that Adobe can't be "demonised" for providing a tool to meet that need.
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It's legitimate if it actually adds value. I'm not convinced that it does. There's some evidence it might be tiger repellent.
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One issue is that the "Digital Editions" or "My Digital Editions" directory may have manifest entries for books that were never downloaded or opened with ADE, but which were opened/read using an Adobe RMSDK based reader, because such a reader creates Manifest entries for books that it opens even if they are DRM-free and have nothing to do with ADE. I have no idea whether information about these books is being sent back to Adobe, it is just one way I see that ADE could get to know about non-ADE books on a device. (My experience is only with ADE 1.7.2, which I use because it is the easiest version to get running in Linux.) Last edited by GeoffR; 10-08-2014 at 11:32 AM. Reason: Directory might be called "Digital Editions" or "My Digital Editions" |
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I don't read ShellShock to say that DRM is a scam, only that the Adobe logging is a scam.
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