MobileRead 2016 Book Club CATEGORY Vote

Originally Posted by JSWolf

But remember, if war does win, no political discussion in the book club forum. There's a separate forum for that. Sorry, MR rules.

First I think you are making way too much out of the quote I included in response to Issybird's post. Second while I agree a political argument would generally belong in the P&R forum I see that as more related to contemporary issues. I don't see how a book about say the American War for Independence could avoid discussing the motivations for why it happened and how it was conducted including political views. I trust the moderators, specifically WTSharpe, to judge that.

[John F]

Originally Posted by sun surfer

Hamlet, I don't think you have anything to worry about. Whenever a winning category is up, I expect us to follow whatever description it was given in the category nomination thread, whether by the nominator or hammered out by the nominator and supporters. I can't speak for Tom so we'll have to see what he says but maybe he didn't add the parentheses to the titles in your categories because it was obvious from the category names, i.e. Historical Fiction vs History and Science Fiction vs Science.

Originally Posted by sun surfer

I'm not sure I understand your disagreement with me. I would consider the categories already ironed out. Are you really saying that because some obvious descriptions from the category nominations thread weren't included in the poll that we must ignore the clearly stated intent from the nominator of a category?

I've never said otherwise. What you are saying now is different than your last post. Letting people decide based on everything they know about a category, including any descriptions, is one thing while expecting to ignore any clearly stated descriptions not listed in the poll is quite another.

I have no problem with the voting using the description from the first nomination post (although it would be nice to have that included in the description in the first post of the voting). I do have a problem with the "hammering out" after the 1st nomination. Everything should be "hammered out" before the first official nomination post is made.

I do not have a problem with WT Sharpe changing typos (missing parenthesis).

IMO. YMMV.

[JSWolf]

Originally Posted by Hamlet53

First I think you are making way too much out of the quote I included in response to Issybird's post. Second while I agree a political argument would generally belong in the P&R forum I see that as more related to contemporary issues. I don't see how a book about say the American War for Independence could avoid discussing the motivations for why it happened and how it was conducted including political views. I trust the moderators, specifically WTSharpe, to judge that.

In order to discuss politics outside of P&R, the rules would have to be changed and then what good is P&R if politics can be discussed outside the P&R forum.

[Nyssa]

Originally Posted by Nyssa

So far, there is a 3-way tie for 6th place with 13 votes each, a 3-way tie for 7th place with 11 votes each and a 2-way tie for 8th place with 10 votes each, giving us 3 more categories than we can use.

If the current poll were to end right now, which categories would make it into the run-off poll?

I know the totals have changed since I asked, but I would still really appreciate an answer to the question all the same, please. I'm curious as to the process, should multiple ties occur.

Originally Posted by Nyssa

I know the totals have changed since I asked, but I would still really appreciate an answer to the question all the same, please. I'm curious as to the process, should multiple ties occur.

Can't say for sure but I would think that a runoff would occur that would include enough categories to fill out the 12 months (with two already in before polling). I would suspect that going down the list of top vote totals the runoff would include all the ties required to fill all categories. That is filled in sequence until there is a tie among enough categories that not all in the tie can be added. I understand what you are probably asking about as in if there are two slots remaining and three categories at equal vote totals would first and second in the runoff fill the last two open slots? Or something like that?

[Nyssa]

Originally Posted by Hamlet53

Can't say for sure but I would think that a runoff would occur that would include enough categories to fill out the 12 months (with two already in before polling). I would suspect that going down the list of top vote totals the runoff would include all the ties required to fill all categories. That is filled in sequence until there is a tie among enough categories that not all in the tie can be added. I understand what you are probably asking about as in if there are two slots remaining and three categories at equal vote totals would first and second in the runoff fill the last two open slots? Or something like that?

Exactly. With the earlier numbers there was a 3- way tie for both 6th and 7th place, so there were 6 categories that had the potential of filling 5 spaces.

Would the 3 that tied for 6th place automatically get in, and if so in what order? Or would all 6 categories have been placed in the run-off poll since there was no clear winner among the lot?

Originally Posted by Nyssa

Exactly. With the earlier numbers there was a 3- way tie for both 6th and 7th place, so there were 6 categories that had the potential of filling 5 spaces.

Would the 3 that tied for 6th place automatically get in, and if so in what order? Or would all 6 categories have been placed in the run-off poll since there was no clear winner among the lot?

So this is how I think a fair solution would be implemented under what you describe. Yes, the three tied for 6th place would fill three of the five remaining spots each having received more votes than the ties in the 7th place. Then the two remaining places would be filled from a runoff between the 7th place group, the top two in votes there filling the last two slots. There are so many possible combinations that could occur with 30 categories though that I think that we will need WTSharpe to decide how it will proceed.

[Dazrin]

Originally Posted by JSWolf

In order to discuss politics outside of P&R, the rules would have to be changed and then what good is P&R if politics can be discussed outside the P&R forum.

I don't think that is the case if we are discussing a specific book and the politics of that book. Here is a quote from Alexander Turcic (the guy who runs this place) from when the P&R restriction was put in place that implies that IF it is a book being discussed it would be allowed.

Originally Posted by Alexander Turcic

In our general forums we're reverting to our previous standards and restrict political and religious topics that have absolutely no connection to our site's theme (e-books, reading, publishing, etc.).

Since talking about content in a specific book, especially one the book club is discussing, it would have a connection to the site's theme and would therefore be allowed. Certainly if people went off-topic or started proselytizing it would be squashed but as long as it is relevant to the book being discussed it should be OK.

[WT Sharpe]

If six books are clear winners, three are tied for seventh, and two are tied for tenth, the six books plus the three tied for seventh shall fill nine of the ten slots. The two tied for tenth shall be entered into a runoff vote in which I shall not participate except in case of a tie. After ten books are chosen, their rank among each other is moot.

[Nyssa]

Originally Posted by WT Sharpe

If six books are clear winners, three are tied for seventh, and two are tied for tenth, the six books plus the three tied for seventh shall fill nine of the ten slots. The two tied for tenth shall be entered into a runoff vote in which I shall not participate except in case of a tie. After ten books are chosen, their rank among each other is moot.

Thank you!

[caleb72]

Late in for my vote. Looking at the top votes, I can't say I'm surprised to see Science Fiction, Fantasy, Mystery and Thriller (etc) in the top 4 positions.

Looks like Patricia Clark is fairly safe for the final list, but Classics is still on the edge. But we've still go a ways to go.

I too think War is a great theme - although I'm thinking more fiction than non-fiction. However, I decided against that theme in favour of Historical Fiction.

As an exercise I voted for the 10 categories I would like to see rather than just voting for everything that appealed.

[JSWolf]

Originally Posted by WT Sharpe

If six books are clear winners, three are tied for seventh, and two are tied for tenth, the six books plus the three tied for seventh shall fill nine of the ten slots. The two tied for tenth shall be entered into a runoff vote in which I shall not participate except in case of a tie. After ten books are chosen, their rank among each other is moot.

Why do we care about ties in any other slot than 12th?

[JSWolf]

Originally Posted by WT Sharpe

If six books are clear winners, three are tied for seventh, and two are tied for tenth, the six books plus the three tied for seventh shall fill nine of the ten slots. The two tied for tenth shall be entered into a runoff vote in which I shall not participate except in case of a tie. After ten books are chosen, their rank among each other is moot.

Why do we care about ties in any other slot than 10th? There is currently a tie for 10th place and once that's sorted (if it needs to be) than we are done.

[Nyssa]

Originally Posted by JSWolf

Why do we care about ties in any other slot than 10th? There is currently a tie for 10th place and once that's sorted (if it needs to be) than we are done.

He's saying that we don't care about ties other than for the last spot. Any categories that fill the first 9 spots are in regardless. There will only be a run-off vote for ties competing to fill the 10th spot. C'mon Jon.


In fact, as of right now the run-off would be between Biographies and Award Winners for the last spot.

[Dazrin]

As of right now, with 38 voters and just under 3 days remaining, these are the leading categories and there is no need for a run-off vote if this stands.
• Science Fiction 31
• Fantasy 24
• Mystery 19
• Thriller, Suspense & Crime 18
• Patricia Clarke Memorial Library 16
• Science 16
• Humor 15
• History 14
• Award Winners (fiction) 13
• Classics 13

There are 5 categories that have 12 votes and could easily be moved into a slot or force a run-off.
• Biography and Memoirs
• Horror
• Our Favo(u)rite Books
• Short Stories (same author)
• War