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No, I'm saying that talking about financially punishing Mr. Card for what he THINKS is basically saying that he's guilty of "thought crime". Ie, "he doesn't believe the same things that I do I'm not going to buy his books". I find that troubling.
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I'm not denying Mr. Card's right to publish. I'm not denying Mr. Card's right to sell his books to anyone who is willing to purchase them. I *refuse* to support individuals or organizations I disagree with. I don't support the KKK, I don't support the White Power movement, I don't support the right wing of the republican party. By your definition, you would seem to be troubled by that lack of financial support |
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Why do you find it troubling? People make these kinds of decisions all of the time. There are several actors, musicians, organizations, etc. that I don't watch, listen, or support because of some of the stupid things they have said. I see nothing wrong with doing that in this case either.
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If you find that troubling, fine. We don't. But you seem to be arguing that we don't have the same rights Mr. Card does, or that his bigotry is not worth talking about. Are we supposed to just swallow whatever he puts out because he's 'somebody'? I've read lots of distasteful things in my life - encountering different ideas is one of the main reasons for being a reader. But if I choose to no longer give money to someone who actively advocates homophobia and racism, then that's my prerogative. If we don't judge people for what they say and write and publish and do, then how are we supposed to judge them? |
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No, because in all those cases those organisations DO things that you disagree with. All Mr. Card seems to have done is to say that he personally disapproves of certain things. There is a fundamental difference. If you're saying that you're not going to buy Mr. Card's books because he doesn't think the same way that you do, aren't you bring just as bigoted as he is?
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From what I hear, Hamlet's Father (the novella that this thread was started about), is blatantly open about it's anti-gay stance. I don't know that for sure, I'm asking for first-hand knowledge/opinions on that. So far, I got nada, zip, bubkis.
I have no problem reading the works of authors who may make bigoted and/or racist comments in their everyday life from time-to-time (or may even be bigots). But I draw the line when those bigoted comments/stances find their way into their fiction. I've no desire to read polemic. I was wondering if that was the case with all of OSC's works. I've been assured (by some of you here, and others as well) that this is not the case with a lot of his work. Based on that knowledge gained, I would have no reservations about trying some of his older works. But thus far, I've not run into someone who can tell me first hand whether or not Hamlets' Father is as blatantly homophobic as the current internet furor would have me believe. Several authors whose works I admire seem to think so, but that's all I've got to go on. I'm curious, I admit, but not curious enough to spend the kind of money that SubPress's limited edition books seem to cost. Is the original 2009 work that first contained the story available as an ebook? |
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I thought I covered that.
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Why do everybody have to love gays I don't understand that. Nowadays it seems if you don't love gays, you are the black sheep in the herd.
I agree that it is unfair to criminalize them or discriminate them at work or in any other social instance. But if they are free to "associate" against nature, why shouldn't we be free to disagree with them and point out that they go against nature, even though it does not hurt anyone to go against nature provided you are consenting ? |
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I stopped reading (and buying) his books after reading his public views on gays.
He has the right to his opinions. He doesn't have the right to my patronage. |
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For me it would be, yes. Voltaire is supposed to have said (but actually didn't) "I disagree with what you say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it". It's the right to say unpopular things that need defending; if you're saying "I'm going to punish you for what you say" then you're effectively suppressing the right to free speech, in my view.
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