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Apple is rarely the first to market with anything. A few things Apple will be early on. But when Apple does make it's move, it's well though out . Take a look at the finger print scanner on the Atrix of a year ago (or was it more?) or the HTC just released compared to the iTouch. Apple doesn't put out a feature just to put it out. Quote:
Yep. They just rushed out a cr@p product to compete with the junk the marginless Android competitors were pumping out. Except that it wasn't 7" and it it wasn't low cost. It was an iPad, only smaller, thinner, lighter. Running the 350,000 made for iPad apps flawlessly. Steve Jobs changed his mind all the time. Remember he also said "nobody reads" and yet prominently included books at the debut of the iPad. Said nobody wants to watch movies on a tiny screen then came out with the iPod Video. Said that iTunes would never come out on Windows...but agreed to do so anyway. Whether he changed his mind or was speaking to throw off the competition....you can never say "Steve Jobs would never..." based on anything he said. Quote:
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So, you thought their maps app was "well thought out?" And who puts out features "just to put it out?" If Apple doesn't, then neither does the competition. Quote:
Also, the SGT was anything but "marginless" and "junk." Samsung's mid-sized tablets at the time were very expensive. Some of them cost more than the Mini (at least here in the States). They were so much "junk" that Apple executives used and openly admired them. The fact that the Mini wasn't 7" exactly is totally irrelevant. There were practical reasons for that. The point is that Jobs said a tablet in that size range was unusable and he would never make one. Yet, after he died, his successors changed course and belatedly jumped on the bandwagon. Quote:
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Yes, as I said, Apple is rarely first out of the gate. Smartphones existed before the iphone. MP3 players existed before the iPod. Apple is not one to rush out and meet the competition. Large screen phones are an excellent example of this.
Samsung is the counter example. They DO rush out copies of anything the see the competition doing. Larger screen phones and smaller screen tablets are no "big idea" that has caught Apple by surprise. It's EASIER to make a larger screen phone. Have you noticed that none of the Android phones without large screens pack the power of the iphone? They can't. They don't have the power per watt advantage Apple has. They needed big screens first for the LTE chips...to account for the bigger battery. Apple refused to go to LTE until the chips had the battery performance for the size phone/battery Apple wanted to make. Now Android phones need to be huge for the quad processors running high MHz with large RAM that Android needs to get performance anywhere close to the iPhone. So Android manufacturers make lemonade out of lemons and market the large screens as "innovation". Two priorities keep Apple at its current size. One handed operation and compatibility with the million apps in the App Store. I suspect the firs priority was the genesis of their choice and the second one keeps them there. If they come up with a great solution to the second we may see them some time in the future. In no way, though, is Apple just UNABLE to create a larger screened phone. It's just a product choice they are making |
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That's not exactly the definition of innovation. Unless of course you would consider all of those Japanese companies like Sony with the Walkman or Toyota or Honda with their wonderful little cars (in the 80s) as also being innovative.
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Dell had a phone with 5" screen, the Streak, almost 18months before the first Note. And HTC had one back in 2005 or so. Of course the HTC was as big or bigger than a 7" device is today. Samsung was smarter than the others in reintroducing the stylus,
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How will they spin that one up when they come out with their phablet? 3.5" was the holy grail of screen sizes as that was as far as your thumb could reach, but it turns out that was incorrect, 4" is the new holy grail. For how much longer?
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No, it couldn't. A Retina screen has significantly higher power consumption and needs either a bigger, heavier battery, or keeping the same battery with a significant reduction in usable lifetime. Producing a Retina Mini with acceptable weight AND a decent battery life needs a completely redesign, which is why it's taking a year (or whatever it is) to do.
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