New Leaf Vote for March 2018 • The Book Came First - Page 6

JSWolf · 03-08-2018, 07:00 PM

Given the nonsense with regard to US copyright, it's very understandable if something gets missed.

recc · 03-08-2018, 08:32 PM

HarryT,

Thank you for the information about how this novel was originally published. None of the information I had found indicated that this was first published in a magazine rather than as a book, so I appreciate the clarification.

As you indicated, there is also a US copyright office database (the link is here, since you did not post it.) I did search that database, which brought up 123 entries for "The Old Man and the Sea" - not exactly a case of finding the renewal "immediately", which is why I used the Stanford database instead. With the information that you provided, I did go back to that database and did find the renewal for the serial publication.

Perhaps in the future you could simply post the relevant and helpful information, instead of criticizing those of us who are already "mindful of" copyright rules and are making a sincere effort to comply with them? (You have apparently now deleted some of the language in your original response to my post, so I cannot quote the phrasing that prompted this request). Thanks.

Catlady · 03-08-2018, 09:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HarryT

Nope. Not your job at all. It is, however, the job of the moderating team to check these things when the copyright status of a work has been called into question, and to advise you that this work is not in the US public domain.

You are the only one who called it into question, with a flat assertion that it absolutely could not be public domain--when clearly it could have been, depending on whether it was renewed.

Dazrin · 03-08-2018, 11:36 PM

I just finished listening to The Story of Your Life and Others, it was very good and could have had a great discussion. Only one of the stories didn't really appeal to me.

I will read The Old Man and the Sea next and hope to complete it in time. I have had very little reading time lately. The one above took me almost 2 weeks to finish and is less than 300 pages.

gmw · 03-09-2018, 01:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dazrin

I just finished listening to The Story of Your Life and Others, it was very good and could have had a great discussion. Only one of the stories didn't really appeal to me. [...]

I'm pleased you enjoyed it. I keep hoping to hear that he has published more. In case you are interested, he has written a short (novelette? 30k words) called "The Lifecycle of Software Objects" that I haven't been able to get a hold of here; and a very good short story called "The Truth of Fact, the Truth of Feeling" that I found in The Best Science Fiction & Fantasy of the Year Volume Eight edited by Jonathan Strahan. Wikipedia notes a few other shorts that I have not yet seen.

HarryT · 03-09-2018, 02:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by recc

As you indicated, there is also a US copyright office database (the link is here, since you did not post it.) I did search that database, which brought up 123 entries for "The Old Man and the Sea" - not exactly a case of finding the renewal "immediately".

The easy way to find it is to use the "Advanced Search" page, and search for a claimant name of "Hemingway". That gives you a list of results in alphabetical order of title, and you simply need to look at the "O" page of results to see "Old Man...". As you note, if you search by title, you get all sorts of extraneous stuff that people have written about the book.

latepaul · 03-09-2018, 04:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gmw

I'm pleased you enjoyed it. I keep hoping to hear that he has published more. In case you are interested, he has written a short (novelette? 30k words) called "The Lifecycle of Software Objects" that I haven't been able to get a hold of here; and a very good short story called "The Truth of Fact, the Truth of Feeling" that I found in The Best Science Fiction & Fantasy of the Year Volume Eight edited by Jonathan Strahan. Wikipedia notes a few other shorts that I have not yet seen.

The Lifecycle of Software Objects is available to read online here

June · 03-09-2018, 05:20 AM

Copyright is *soo* much fun (not). My country has life+50 for some works published in certain countries. And “the publisher’s country’s rules” for other countries, but maximum life+70

gmw · 03-09-2018, 06:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by latepaul

The Lifecycle of Software Objects is available to read online[...]

Thanks for that. Very unexpected. It never occurred to me to look for it as freely available online. I assume this is intentional and correct ... but it seems very odd. There is no explicit declaration of public domain, nor mention of copyright at all.

I see they also have "The Truth of Fact, the Truth of Feeling"*. Which seems even stranger since it appeared in a definitely-not-public-domain ebook a year later (as noted above), and the copyright details for it are listed as:

Quote:

Subterranean is that link you provided.

* I have intentionally not provided links so moderators have less to fix if there turns out to be anything dodgy going on. In the meantime you can see the website from latepaul's post.

latepaul · 03-09-2018, 07:55 AM

Fairly sure it's legit. Subterranean is I believe a reputable publisher. And publishers such as Tor have been known to post shorter works on their website.

ETA:
So it seems it originally appeared in the Fall 2010 edition of the Subterranean Press magazine.

latepaul · 03-09-2018, 08:09 AM

Actually more recent editions of the magazines have download links for an epub and mobi versions rather than links to individual stories but the links don't appear to work for me.

e..g fall 2013 is the edition with "The Truth of Fact..." in it but the links give a 404 error.

gmw · 03-09-2018, 08:51 AM

It certainly looks legit... but it also looks too good to be true (especially since the "The Lifecycle..." story is one I've been trying to get), so of course I'm suspicious. On that fall2013 link I get nowhere by clicking on the epub or mobi links, but I can read the short story by clicking on its title.

ekbell · 03-09-2018, 10:33 AM

It looks like they are hosting the stories from their defunct magazine (the fall2013 webpage table of content for each magazine is composted of links). Links to the individual stories can be found at Free Speculative Fiction Online a site which avoids linking to pirate sites.

I see no reason to believe that they do not have the right to do this, they certainly are not the only sci-fi magazine to do so during this time period (this site has some good stuff https://internationalsf.wordpress.com/.

Dazrin · 03-13-2018, 06:04 PM

It's almost certainly too late for this warning but, if you haven't started this yet and haven't read the book before, skip the intro till after you read the book due to spoilers.

I have a Scribner published version with a simple picture of the ocean on the cover. The introduction is only a couple pages long but they felt they had to summarize a bit too much. Just because a book is a classic it doesn't mean that everyone has read it.

CRussel · 03-13-2018, 07:08 PM

Good warning. The FadedPage version doesn't have this, so I didn't see it.

View Poll Results: What book that came first shall we read for March?
The Story of Your Life by Ted Chiang	10	43.48%
Elmer Gantry by Sinclair Lewis	7	30.43%
The Light Between Oceans by M.L. Stedman	5	21.74%
The Old Man and the Sea by Ernest Hemingway	11	47.83%
Despite the Falling Snow by Shamim Sarif	2	8.70%
Strangers on a Train by Patricia Highsmith	7	30.43%
Catch-22 by Joseph Heller	3	13.04%
Before the Fact by Francis Iles	2	8.70%
Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep? by Philip K. Dick	8	34.78%
Frankenstein by Mary Shelley	7	30.43%
A Scanner Darkly by Philip K. Dick	3	13.04%
Still Life (Chief Inspector Gamache #1) by Louise Penny	4	17.39%
The Heart is a Lonely Hunter by Carson McCullers	9	39.13%
The Body by Stephen King	6	26.09%
Of Mice and Men by John Steinbeck	9	39.13%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 23. You may not vote on this poll

03-09-2018, 07:55 AM	#85
latepaul Wizard Posts: 1,265 Karma: 10203040 Join Date: Dec 2011 Device: a variety (mostly kindles and kobos)	Fairly sure it's legit. Subterranean is I believe a reputable publisher. And publishers such as Tor have been known to post shorter works on their website. ETA: So it seems it originally appeared in the Fall 2010 edition of the Subterranean Press magazine. Last edited by latepaul; 03-09-2018 at 08:04 AM. Reason: add magazine links

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03-08-2018, 07:00 PM	#76
JSWolf Resident Curmudgeon Posts: 74,097 Karma: 129333562 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Roslindale, Massachusetts Device: Kobo Libra 2, Kobo Aura H2O, PRS-650, PRS-T1, nook STR, PW3	Given the nonsense with regard to US copyright, it's very understandable if something gets missed.

03-08-2018, 08:32 PM	#77
recc avid reader Posts: 2 Karma: 558068 Join Date: May 2016 Location: montana Device: ipad air	HarryT, Thank you for the information about how this novel was originally published. None of the information I had found indicated that this was first published in a magazine rather than as a book, so I appreciate the clarification. As you indicated, there is also a US copyright office database (the link is here, since you did not post it.) I did search that database, which brought up 123 entries for "The Old Man and the Sea" - not exactly a case of finding the renewal "immediately", which is why I used the Stanford database instead. With the information that you provided, I did go back to that database and did find the renewal for the serial publication. Perhaps in the future you could simply post the relevant and helpful information, instead of criticizing those of us who are already "mindful of" copyright rules and are making a sincere effort to comply with them? (You have apparently now deleted some of the language in your original response to my post, so I cannot quote the phrasing that prompted this request). Thanks.

03-08-2018, 11:36 PM	#79
Dazrin Wizard Posts: 2,631 Karma: 73864785 Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: PDXish Device: Kindle Voyage, various Android devices	I just finished listening to The Story of Your Life and Others, it was very good and could have had a great discussion. Only one of the stories didn't really appeal to me. I will read The Old Man and the Sea next and hope to complete it in time. I have had very little reading time lately. The one above took me almost 2 weeks to finish and is less than 300 pages.

03-09-2018, 05:20 AM	#83
June Addict Posts: 306 Karma: 4508151 Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Scandinavia Device: Kobo Libra, Oasis 1&2 and others	Copyright is soo much fun (not). My country has life+50 for some works published in certain countries. And “the publisher’s country’s rules” for other countries, but maximum life+70

03-09-2018, 08:09 AM	#86
latepaul Wizard Posts: 1,265 Karma: 10203040 Join Date: Dec 2011 Device: a variety (mostly kindles and kobos)	Actually more recent editions of the magazines have download links for an epub and mobi versions rather than links to individual stories but the links don't appear to work for me. e..g fall 2013 is the edition with "The Truth of Fact..." in it but the links give a 404 error.

03-09-2018, 08:51 AM	#87
gmw cacoethes scribendi Posts: 5,809 Karma: 137770742 Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Australia Device: Kobo Aura One & H2Ov2, Sony PRS-650	It certainly looks legit... but it also looks too good to be true (especially since the "The Lifecycle..." story is one I've been trying to get), so of course I'm suspicious. On that fall2013 link I get nowhere by clicking on the epub or mobi links, but I can read the short story by clicking on its title.

03-09-2018, 10:33 AM	#88
ekbell Guru Posts: 604 Karma: 12345678 Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Canada Device: none	It looks like they are hosting the stories from their defunct magazine (the fall2013 webpage table of content for each magazine is composted of links). Links to the individual stories can be found at Free Speculative Fiction Online a site which avoids linking to pirate sites. I see no reason to believe that they do not have the right to do this, they certainly are not the only sci-fi magazine to do so during this time period (this site has some good stuff https://internationalsf.wordpress.com/.

03-13-2018, 06:04 PM	#89
Dazrin Wizard Posts: 2,631 Karma: 73864785 Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: PDXish Device: Kindle Voyage, various Android devices	It's almost certainly too late for this warning but, if you haven't started this yet and haven't read the book before, skip the intro till after you read the book due to spoilers. I have a Scribner published version with a simple picture of the ocean on the cover. The introduction is only a couple pages long but they felt they had to summarize a bit too much. Just because a book is a classic it doesn't mean that everyone has read it.

03-13-2018, 07:08 PM	#90
CRussel (he/him/his) Posts: 12,162 Karma: 79742714 Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Sunshine Coast, BC Device: Oasis (Gen3),Paperwhite (Gen10), Voyage, Paperwhite(orig), Fire HD 8	Good warning. The FadedPage version doesn't have this, so I didn't see it.