Barnes and Noble Financials - Page 3

morriss003 · 06-21-2012, 08:38 PM

One of my free books at B&N has 145 reviews and 67 5 star reviews. They don't make a dime on that book, and yet there is no link on that page to my other books that they do make money selling. This company just cannot get from behind the 8 ball.

Fbone · 06-21-2012, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by morriss003

One of my free books at B&N has 145 reviews and 67 5 star reviews. They don't make a dime on that book, and yet there is no link on that page to my other books that they do make money selling. This company just cannot get from behind the 8 ball.

Well, neither does Amazon display your other titles.

They both show what other shoppers have bought and your titles didn't make the list.

SteveEisenberg · 06-21-2012, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by SensualPoet

A spokesperson with Microsoft, when the deal was announced a few weeks ago, was asked this question on Bloomberg and MS stated it had no particular interest in putting its products in B&N stores.

Yes, Microsoft would not want to cheapen the products it sells in its new high-end stores by also selling in stores of a company that's known for a big non-digital product line.

I guess that there is some way for B&N to survive, at least if the great recession doesn't deepen. But I don't think anyone can know for sure, in advance, what that is. Maybe there is a big group of middle aged people who are going to resist eBooks until the day they die, decades from now. That may be B&N's best hope. It's easy to say that if you don't change you die, but most companies that radically reinvent themselves -- for example, every buggy company that switched to making automobiles -- also die.

Joshua.P · 06-22-2012, 12:46 PM

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Maybe there is a big group of middle aged people who are going to resist eBooks until the day they die, decades from now. That may be B&N's best hope.

Exactly. There will probably be another 30yrs before ebooks ever become really popular. Quite frankly one good ereader (kindle) is enough. The nook isn't necessary.

ProfCrash · 06-22-2012, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Joshua.P

Exactly. There will probably be another 30yrs before ebooks ever become really popular. Quite frankly one good ereader (kindle) is enough. The nook isn't necessary.

Competition is necessary. The Kindle has been greatly improved because of competition from Sony and BN. Amazon was pushed to get the Kindle conencted to the library because of the Nook, Sony, and Kobos connection to the library. Amazon has moved to a touch screen because of Sony, Nook, and Kobo. The Kindles price has massivly declined due to competition.

I am going to go out and by a Nook, Sony, or Kobo, I am very happy with my Kindle. But my Kindle experience has been improved because of competition.

QuantumIguana · 06-22-2012, 01:41 PM

Competition keeps businesses honest. Without the Nook, Amazon has less incentive to keep customers happy.

jbcohen · 06-22-2012, 01:59 PM

All answers are correct, however one thing has been left out: in B&N goes the way of borders does Amazon have a monopoly? No, they still have other competition from Apple and Sony who do not appear to be have any troubble keeping in the market, in fact B&N isn't even number two in this market, that position belongs to apple and number four to Sony corp. Both Apple and Sony's business does not rely on the book selling business and can apply revenues and profits from othe lines of business to help out in the book selling industry.

ProfCrash · 06-22-2012, 02:51 PM

You are kidding right? Sony is not known in the mainstream for having an e-reader and its bookstore is universally panned as awful. Apple has hardly any share in the e-book market, has stated that they don't think people read enough to actually care about the e-book market, and have said that they are likely to pull out of the e-book market if wholesale pricing returns.

Amazons only real competition in the US is BN. Globally, Amazons biggest competition is going to be Kobo.

fjtorres · 06-22-2012, 06:38 PM

For all we know, Sony is biding their time, waiting for B&N to fold.

kennyc · 06-26-2012, 06:26 AM

There's hope for Pottermore yet!

ProfCrash · 06-26-2012, 08:36 AM

I laughed that Amazon got the rights to loan the Potter books. What became of the Potter e-reader for Sony?

fjtorres · 06-26-2012, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by ProfCrash

I laughed that Amazon got the rights to loan the Potter books.

Sounds like a great coup... on paper.
Funny thing is it probably cost Amazon very little to score: odds are that maybe a couple hundred thousand copies get checked out so their total cost is maybe a million or two, max.
(Most people interested in the Potter ebooks on Kindle at this point are more likely to buy them--they *are* backlist by now--and with the Prime Library limiting them to one book per month odds are the majority of Prime subscribers will use the free read on something newer, less of a known quantity.)

They do know their marketting, those Amazon folks.

B&N... Well, they're trying: TV ads are a start, even if they are minimalist and bland, bland, bland...

ProfCrash · 06-26-2012, 10:32 AM

BN is a non-factor until they start to sell outside the US. Amazon is doing a fine job of taking a massive amount of market share across the globe. Let's face it, even with DRM free books and the ability to convert most people are going to stick with the format they started with because they are lazy. So kindle users are likely to stick with a kindle.

The US market is probably close to saturation. Without a global market, BN is going to struggle to sell their product. It doe not appear that they have made much of a dent in Amazons customer base in the US and they are not trying to challenge outside the US.

murraypaul · 06-26-2012, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by ProfCrash

The US market is probably close to saturation. Without a global market, BN is going to struggle to sell their product. It doe not appear that they have made much of a dent in Amazons customer base in the US and they are not trying to challenge outside the US.

Part of the Microsoft agreement requires them to expand geographically, so hopefully they might provide more substantive competition soon.

LovesMacs · 06-26-2012, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by ProfCrash

BN is a non-factor until they start to sell outside the US. Amazon is doing a fine job of taking a massive amount of market share across the globe.

Expanding a business into other countries costs money, and can Barnes & Noble afford that money? Furthermore, BN would be starting with much lower name recognition in any other country besides the US.

Another poster talked about Apple and Sony being other top e-book retailers who could apply profits from other business sectors to prop up their e-reader divisions. I don't think Sony is doing well financially.

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06-21-2012, 08:38 PM	#31
morriss003 Evangelist Posts: 438 Karma: 3409790 Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Maui Device: kindle	One of my free books at B&N has 145 reviews and 67 5 star reviews. They don't make a dime on that book, and yet there is no link on that page to my other books that they do make money selling. This company just cannot get from behind the 8 ball.

06-22-2012, 01:41 PM	#36
QuantumIguana Philosopher Posts: 2,034 Karma: 18736532 Join Date: Jan 2012 Device: Kindle Paperwhite 2 gen, Kindle Fire 1st Gen, Kindle Touch	Competition keeps businesses honest. Without the Nook, Amazon has less incentive to keep customers happy.

06-22-2012, 01:59 PM	#37
jbcohen Wizard Posts: 3,025 Karma: 11196738 Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Piper College Device: Samsung A21	All answers are correct, however one thing has been left out: in B&N goes the way of borders does Amazon have a monopoly? No, they still have other competition from Apple and Sony who do not appear to be have any troubble keeping in the market, in fact B&N isn't even number two in this market, that position belongs to apple and number four to Sony corp. Both Apple and Sony's business does not rely on the book selling business and can apply revenues and profits from othe lines of business to help out in the book selling industry.

06-22-2012, 02:51 PM	#38
ProfCrash Tea Enthusiast Posts: 8,554 Karma: 75384937 Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Somewhere in the USA Device: Kindle1, Kindle DX Graphite, K3 3G, IPad 3, PW2	You are kidding right? Sony is not known in the mainstream for having an e-reader and its bookstore is universally panned as awful. Apple has hardly any share in the e-book market, has stated that they don't think people read enough to actually care about the e-book market, and have said that they are likely to pull out of the e-book market if wholesale pricing returns. Amazons only real competition in the US is BN. Globally, Amazons biggest competition is going to be Kobo.

06-22-2012, 06:38 PM	#39
fjtorres Grand Sorcerer Posts: 11,732 Karma: 128354696 Join Date: May 2009 Location: 26 kly from Sgr A* Device: T100TA,PW2,PRS-T1,KT,FireHD 8.9,K2, PB360,BeBook One,Axim51v,TC1000	For all we know, Sony is biding their time, waiting for B&N to fold.

06-26-2012, 06:26 AM	#40
kennyc The Dank Side of the Moon Posts: 35,872 Karma: 118716293 Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Denver, CO Device: Kindle2; Kindle Fire	There's hope for Pottermore yet!

06-26-2012, 08:36 AM	#41
ProfCrash Tea Enthusiast Posts: 8,554 Karma: 75384937 Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Somewhere in the USA Device: Kindle1, Kindle DX Graphite, K3 3G, IPad 3, PW2	I laughed that Amazon got the rights to loan the Potter books. What became of the Potter e-reader for Sony?

06-26-2012, 10:32 AM	#43
ProfCrash Tea Enthusiast Posts: 8,554 Karma: 75384937 Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Somewhere in the USA Device: Kindle1, Kindle DX Graphite, K3 3G, IPad 3, PW2	BN is a non-factor until they start to sell outside the US. Amazon is doing a fine job of taking a massive amount of market share across the globe. Let's face it, even with DRM free books and the ability to convert most people are going to stick with the format they started with because they are lazy. So kindle users are likely to stick with a kindle. The US market is probably close to saturation. Without a global market, BN is going to struggle to sell their product. It doe not appear that they have made much of a dent in Amazons customer base in the US and they are not trying to challenge outside the US.

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