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And BTW, this is one of the reasons many DVDs are "rigged" to play the main content only after at least one viewing per DVD player of the advertising content (their way of defeating the "fast forward" trick). As I said, there is no direct evidence that piracy leads to later purchases by pirates, or that pirates are effective promoters of material to paying customers. In general, piracy leads to the promotion of material to other pirates, and most likely, more piracy. They simply amount to net loss, just like theft. Net gains from popular venues (like Amazon and MobiPocket) and reviewed texts by known reviewers are much greater than any contribution pirates make. |
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We'll start with this: Give me a list of all the authors that were discovered by pirates, whom pirates promoted ceaselessly, and are now famous and successful authors. Give me any evidence that pirate promotion has significantly increased the sales of any already-established author. Give me any evidence that a significant number of purchasers buying works reported being turned on to that author by the review of a pirate. Last edited by Steven Lyle Jordan; 03-31-2008 at 09:45 AM. |
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If I record commercial TV to the DVR, I do fast forward past the commercials (most of the time).
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Should DRM allow "sharing" (like the Zune does) and mimik the current existing patterns people have developed with the physical products OR should we give the producer full control and maximum profit as one copy is fixed to one machine. BTW Should removing DRM for your husband/wife be called piracy??? |
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03-31-2008, 11:14 AM | #51 | |
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So, what about some evidence about piracy hurting authors... Personally, I think that e-books are so insignificant right now in the grand scheme of publishing, that piracy is irrelevant either way. |
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Heroes, Lost, Battle Star Galactica, 24, Desperate Housewives .... -> series that are pirated but became very popular |
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I also note that you continue to wrongly try to associate copyright infringement with theft. http://www.tricklenews.com/pebble/de...021060000.html |
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@Olympus: Whoops, I think that's the classic ummm... what is the term? Backwards Induction Fallacy? Ispo something absurdum? Wracking my brain, here.
In any case, those shows are pirated BECAUSE they are popular. They aren't popular BECAUSE they were pirated. Ipso cartus-equine a priori? |
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P.S. If you are going to nitpick because the content isn't illicit (and thus it isn't piracy), you will need to provide a creditable argument as to why a pirate would behave different from Baen's customer base. Most any argument you do provide cannot be applied to all pirates. |
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I'll cite Stephen King's "The Plant" project as a case where unpaid downloads resulted in the financial ruination of the work, causing it to be unfinished and shelved.
Strictly speaking, King was "asking" for payment, not forcing it up-front, so the works were not technically "pirated." But they were still downloaded in large numbers, with the expectation of payment following, and which did not surface in the required numbers. The result was killing the project, which also served to sour King's rep with many of his fans. I daresay that was not a positive outcome for King. |
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I also think that the DVD sale of Buffy would never have been so big if people had not watched the show by downloading.
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And how much money did King loose? He earned more money doing an unfinished work than most authors earn for a complete book. Your example is totally non convincing as has been explained in previous threads.
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That's not a good example. It failed because it was poorly designed. If I remember correctly, he required payment from a certain percentage of downloads. Any halfway decent script-kiddie could screw with the download count by downloading a few million copies. |
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