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I read through this whole thread hoping that somebody else would ask what a "novelette" is, so I wouldn't have to appear dumb and ask myself. I thought I understand "short story", "novel", and maybe "novella". But now that I've seen this new word (for me) "novelette" I'm back to ground zero. Is a novelette longer or shorter than a novella? I'm assuming it's on the short story side of a novel, and not the tome side.
Too many ways to describe the length of a book. I wish they'd just come up with a standard, albeit arbitrary, definition of the number of words on a "page", and then advertise book lengths based on the number of these agreed upon "pages". Similar to a "mile". Most people have no idea where the definition of that came from, and it doesn't relate to anything concrete in their world (nor do they care if it does or doesn't), but they have a reasonable understanding of what that distance means and can comprehend and make use of what, e.g., "20 miles from here" means. |
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08-14-2020, 10:25 AM | #108 | |
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The older fans bitch about the newer winners with phrases like "Politically correct and dull. One described as lesbians in space. All by women, one called Tamsyn" and "They all sound terribly boring to me." So you know, real hard-hitting analysis that has more to do with the quality of the individual works rather than filtering their opinions through some political viewpoint
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I think one strong indication of the politics rampant in Worldcon can be seen by examining DisCon3 special statement on diversity. Discon3 endorses and encourages donation to organizations whose prime purpose is defunding the police and dismantling capitalism. Why would the organization feel the need to be a political advocate far outside the world of literature?
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In case others would rather not blindly accept one person's opinion on what discon3's special message is all about (without even providing a link).
https://discon3.org/news/a-message-from-discon-iii/ Yeah. That's some real rampant politicking going on there. |
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https://nebulas.sfwa.org/award-year/2019 Best Novel Marque of Caine by Charles E. Gannon, published by Baen The Ten Thousand Doors of January by Alix E. Harrow, published by Redhook A Memory Called Empire by Arkady Martine, published by Tor Gods of Jade and Shadow by Silvia Moreno-Garcia, published by Del Rey Gideon the Ninth by Tamsyn Muir, published by Tor.com * Winner: A Song for a New Day by Sarah Pinsker, published by Berkley Best Novella “Anxiety Is the Dizziness of Freedom” by Ted Chiang, published by Knopf “The Haunting of Tram Car 015” by P. Djèlí Clark, published by Tor.com * Winner: “This Is How You Lose the Time War” by Amal El-Mohtar and Max Gladstone, published by Gallery and Saga Press “Her Silhouette, Drawn in Water” by Vylar Kaftan, published by Tor.com “The Deep” by Rivers Solomon, Daveed Diggs, William Hutson, and Jonathan Snipes, published by Gallery and Saga Press “Catfish Lullaby” by A C Wise, published by Broken Eye Books |
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Anti-capitslism and anti-police were the "top of the page" mission statements for those organizations. Their primary purpose. You couldn't miss it. Unless you never looked and just wanted to virtue signal by listing those organizations. Why would a SFF awards organization choose to behave like this? I ask because I wanted to join it, but not if it is instead a political organization. Sent from my SM-G930V using Tapatalk |
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To be consistent with the other definitions a 17,500 word book is a novella. [40000, ...) novel [17500, 40000) novella [7500, 17500) novelette (..., 7500) short story Presumably, there is a lower limit for short story, but none is given. It might be nice to know what the shortest published Hugo eligible short story is. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interval_(mathematics) Last edited by j.p.s; 08-14-2020 at 05:39 PM. |
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There's a lot more than two links on that page to a lot more organizations that aren't political. And even those two orgs that ruffled your feathers have more goals than the two you chose to zero in on. Would you have raised an eyebrow if they'd listed an organization whose list of goals (among many) included a political stance/movement you supported? |
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Care to actually cite your examples, because thus far you seem to have shown a tendency to exaggerate the goals of these organizations, while also downplaying or entirely ignoring some/most of their goals, or the organization entirely. |
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