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Old 09-25-2021, 07:43 AM   #16
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(Same with desktop usage in general. It's being DWARFED by mobile devices.)
Most casual home users that in the past bought a PC (or a laptop) now use a tablet. Webmail and browser and apps.
Desktop PC gaming is a niche now with Nintendo, MS Xbox and Sony PS dominating. Casual games on phones and tablets.

The iPhone users more likely buy an iPad. The Android phone users an Android Tablet (as all their apps will migrate for free as well as data).

Business mostly buy laptops. Tower PCs are very niche, outsold by the expensive inflexible All-in-one screens with a sort of laptop motherboard. A real laptop has a built-in UPS and even with a separate 24" 2K screen can cost less than an all-in-one. Then there are the "mini" Macs and PC, like a cost reduced laptop without screen, keyboard or battery; I think a Raspberry Pi makes more sense than those if you don't need Mac OS or x86-64 Windows (Oddly MS does have an ARM version of Windows for the Pi, but it makes no sense as the entire point of Windows is Corporate x86-64 programs).

Google's Chrome OS and Chrome book is a crippled Linux that can be used standalone but is meant for always on broadband and Google's Cloud. Now MS is bringing out their version of MS Surface/Windows as Cloud Windows HW for Azure. Both those are less good ideas than a real Laptop (Mac, Win1x or Linux – Mint with mate recommended).

Apple will gradually merge MacOS and iOS to have Mac in a Walled Garden now they have moved to ARM (Mac 68000, PowerPC, 32 bit Intel, Intel with 64 bit and then 64 bit only x86-64 Intel Mac OS before the ARM laptop).

MS doing ARM and x86-64 versions of Windows on Tablets was a failure because of legacy x86, legacy x86-64 and unlike Apple they can't force all the Application devs to use ARM and the users to buy new versions of all the Software. Though Rosetta for Power PC to Intel wasn't too bad.

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Getting way off topic. Maybe we can discuss that further in a discussion thread.
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Thank you so very much. It has been years since I used html and did online newspaper, teaching, etc. Can you suggest course or something I can take for refresher?
MR's Wiki has a bunch of mini-tuts about eBooks and ePublishing.

I like W3Schools reference pages for HTML/CSS. They help with understanding the basic coding. If you want to do something a little 'different' then I just use mr google and there are several websites that usually have the answer.

Of course, you always have the great people here at MR that can help... you'll get some great advice as well as a little opinion thrown in to spice things up!
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I like W3Schools reference pages for HTML/CSS. They help with understanding the basic coding.
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Of course, you always have the great people here at MR that can help... you'll get some great advice as well as a little opinion thrown in to spice things up!
Absolutely to both of those. I find W3Schools, Tex and Hitch invaluable.
Also the Calibre editor uses a different color/colour for unrecognised terms. Sometimes someone has typed it wrong (sometimes me) and sometimes people are trying to be too clever.

On ebooks I believe in KISS and not trying to replicate some paper book. Apps is the place to be "clever". Being too clever breaks websites and makes ebooks very limited to a particular tested platform.
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MR's Wiki has a bunch of mini-tuts about eBooks and ePublishing.
I'll have to look through those again, I haven't done that in a looong time.

A lot of the "How to Make An Ebook" stuff was written many years ago, and much of that information is a bit out of date. (Like Liz Castro's ol' ebook/website.)

Of course, the core, KISS + basic HTML stuff is all correct.

... but a lot of the surrounding EPUB-specific info may need updating. They'll be discussing:
  • older tools
  • ancient versions of Sigil/Calibre
  • ancient hacks/workarounds
    • Like remember those empty <span></span> around everything to get around stupid iBooks bugs?
  • ancient formats
    • Like Amazon's old, old MOBI on the original Kindle.
    • (Everything beyond the Kindle 3 uses KF8 or KFX now.)
  • [...]

And they may be missing newer EPUB3 stuff. Or not discussing the tweaks/enhancements/tools that have come over the years like:
  • Much easier Font Embedding/Subsetting
    • Now it's easily built right into Calibre!
  • All the Accessibility stuff
    • + validators like ACE
  • Sigil/Calibre Plugins!

There's better/faster workflows out there, but much of this information is scattered.

Eventually, my blog will be up and running and all this stuff will be gathered to the best of my ability (I KNOW I KNOW, lol).

But for now, all this stuff is spread in separate MR threads.

* * *

Usually, if you have ANY sort of issue in ebooks, you can do search this in your favorite search engine:

Code:
Your Problem Here Tex2002ans site:mobileread.com
Your Problem Here Hitch site:mobileread.com
and you'll find your answer.

Have a problem with "<ol> lists"? Type in:

<ol> lists tex2002ans site:mobileread.com

And boom, here's one of my answers from 2019. (Don't use <ol> in EPUB, very buggy. Hardcode your numbers.)

Have a problem with "soft hyphens"? Type in:

soft hyphens tex2002ans site:mobileread.com

32 hits over the years. (I even wrote another post all about why soft hyphens are awful a few days ago.)

* * *

If you can't find it with mine or Hitch's username in your search? (Not very likely!) THEN you can do a general search across the internet... but all the coolest ebook people are here!

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Of course, you always have the great people here at MR that can help... you'll get some great advice as well as a little opinion thrown in to spice things up!


A few months back, I actually hopped on webcam and did an "EPUB crash course" with anonlivros (he wrote that great Paper Book -> PDF Tutorial).

It was the first time I ever TAUGHT someone else live.

And, since his PDF tutorial was so good, I wanted to get him up to speed on the PDF->EPUB side of things.

Many tips/tricks were methods I've been using for 8+ years, but never actually spoke to anyone else.

Definitely made me think differently too, and I even came up with newer methods on the fly as I tried to reexplain things to him (since he was an EPUB noob).

... and you guys have secretly been seeing a lot of that in my posts within the past 5 months.

* * *

Anyway, that's why I offered katknott (or anyone else who's interested) the webcam thing.

I could take a look at that document and see what I can do. Or how I'd tackle it.

And then I could even show you Sigil/Calibre, explain the basics of EPUB, answer any questions, etc.

Eventually, this info will be solidified on my site... and it'll be the ultimate EPUB resource.

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Hmmm...

A refresher of word processor (Word/LibreOffice) stuff? Or basics of EPUB + HTML/CSS?

If EPUB, I don't really know of any good (and up-to-date) tutorial-type things.

But a lot of ebook stuff is just knowing the basics of HTML and CSS.

Side Note: Back in 2018, I had a project to digitize 100 ebooks within a year.

I did train a few editors (who knew absolutely nothing about HTML) in HTML/CSS + basics of ebooks.

I called it "Clean Ebooks, Workflows, and HTML".

If you want to see those slides, let me know.

(But it may be more basic than your knowledge level.)

* * *

My mentality is KISS (Keep It Simple Stupid).

Strip everything down to the very bare bones, so your ebook is full of simple HTML:
  • <h2> = Headings
  • <p> = Paragraphs
  • <blockquote> = Blockquotes
  • <i> or <em> = Italics/Emphasis
  • <b> or <strong> = Bold
  • [...]

From there, all you typically need is a handful of exceptions:
  • <p class="first">
    • Your first paragraphs might have no indent.
  • <p class="center">
  • <p class="right">
  • <p class="plaintiff">
    • Maybe the plaintiff's name is bold + centered + right-aligned.
  • [...]

And the key thing is, human-readable names!

So this is your original code:

Code:
<div class="block_53" data-lnum="219"><span class="bullet_" data-lnum="219">5)&nbsp;</span><span class="calibre9" data-lnum="219">Until January 1, 2018, [...]
<div class="block_53" data-lnum="220"><span class="bullet_" data-lnum="220">6)&nbsp;</span><span class="calibre9" data-lnum="220">No entity shall record
Throw away that data-lnum crap:

Spoiler:
Code:
<div class="block_53"><span class="bullet_">5)&nbsp;</span><span class="calibre9">Until January 1, 2018, [...]
<div class="block_53"><span class="bullet_">6)&nbsp;</span><span class="calibre9">No entity shall record


<div class="block_##"> + some random numbers? Nope. Use simple HTML + a <p>:

Spoiler:
Code:
<p><span class="bullet_">5)&nbsp;</span><span class="calibre9">Until January 1, 2018, [...]
<p><span class="bullet_">6)&nbsp;</span><span class="calibre9">No entity shall record


<span class="bullet_">, but it's actually a list number? REMOVE:

Spoiler:
Code:
<p>5) <span class="calibre9">Until January 1, 2018, [...]
<p>6) <span class="calibre9">No entity shall record


<span class="calibre"> that's probably only saying "this is normal text"? Toss it!

Code:
<p>5) Until January 1, 2018, [...]
<p>6) No entity shall record
And, wow, now compare that to your original code.

Look how much cleaner and more readable that is.

And guess what, it'll work great on an actual ereader.

* * *

... Anyway, if you're interested in a "basics of ebook" tutorial:

I may be open for meeting on webcam some time next week.

I could then see:
  • What your skill level is.
  • What sort of documents you're doing this on.
    • And what you're trying to accomplish by converting this to EPUB?

And testing out some conversion stuff live.

Every single input/output format is going to require slightly different tools/methods.



Yeah, Google Docs creates a bit of a mess.

Yes, the text may "look okay" on the screen, but the innards are horrible.

Note: If you're more comfortable in the word processors (Word/LibreOffice):

You may want to do cleaning + Styles there instead.

THEN when you output to EPUB, you'll have much cleaner HTML to work with.

Side Note: And this looks to be a legal document with lots of nested lists... huge lists+large-negative-indents don't play very nicely in EPUB...

You'd probably have to adjust a lot of that text anyway so it can be read on tall/skinny things like cellphones or IN HUGE FONT SIZES.



Thanks.



It's a growing marketshare, while old-school Microsoft Word is going down.

Side Note: Yesterday, I watched a presentation at LibreOffice's 2021 conference.

Within the past decade:

The old-school desktop suites, down, down, down. Cloud-based + Mobile stuff, up, up, up.

Back in 2017:
  • ~18% of word processor usage was Google Docs.
  • ~18% were using Open Source as well.
  • And ~75% [and falling] was Microsoft Word/365.

Those trajectories have only grown since then. (And with the last year and a half, free/open programs have only gotten much stronger.)

Side Note #2: ... Even many of the kids going into COLLEGE have now grown up on:
  • Mobile-only
    • Some don't even have a laptop/desktop anymore.
  • Chromebooks
    • Google Docs / non-Microsoft ecosystems
  • Easy sharing
    • Just send a URL!
  • Cloud-syncing
    • And all you need is to log into your account. You can get your documents on any computer/smartphone, anywhere.

Multi-device editing is currently the present/future.

Old school Word + only-typing-on-my-desktop-computer is so 10/20/40 years ago.
Hi, you're just what I'm looking for, I don't know anything about css and epub and html, I'm a legal girl, the fact that it's for dummies makes it even more fantastic.

Today I posted a thread asking where I could learn css and your slides can be my solution.
Could you send them to me? Thank you so so so much! I don't know if I can put my email here or is there something like private messages.
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Hi, you're just what I'm looking for, I don't know anything about css and epub and html, I'm a legal girl, the fact that it's for dummies makes it even more fantastic.
Heh, that "for dummies" style of writing is what I've been working towards the past few years.

Like just last month, I wrote 5+ tips:

linking to a lot of my recent step-by-step tutorials/explanations.

(The past year, I've written more than 400 posts on Reddit, specifically focused on simplified breakdowns/answers.)

A lot of the tips/advice works across ALL document creation.

Sure, the buttons might be in slightly different spots, or they might be called slightly different things, but the concepts are very similar across all formats.

(For example, Styles in Word/LibreOffice are approximately Classes in HTML+CSS.)

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Today I posted a thread asking where I could learn css and your slides can be my solution.

Could you send them to me? Thank you so so so much!
Sure, I'll send you a PM with the slides.

And I'll take a closer look at your new thread:

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I don't know if I can put my email here or is there something like private messages.
There are PMs. You could post your email too, but, personally, I try to keep my email off many public posts (because of spammers).

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