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Again, despite the lack of factual evidence that e-inks reduce eyestrain compared with LCDs, I'm in the market for an e-ink device because of the value I place on battery duration of the devices with e-ink. I can prove they use less power while you can't prove they cause less eyestrain. Step away from the myth. Last edited by pking36330; 01-05-2010 at 04:33 PM. |
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No, CCFL's are still commonly used. In 5 years, sure, you'll have a vast-majority of devices using LED lighting, but that's simply not the case today. CCFL's use AC (often via an inverter, for laptops and other non-mains devices) and generate a flickering light.
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So my point is, since LED backlit LCDs are now the norm for NEW devices, and because they cause no flicker, the prejudice against LCDs as a good ereader aren't supported by the facts. Can you name any NEW 4" to 10" display device that isn't an LED backlit LCD (unless e-ink or some exotic OLED that we'd all love but can't afford)? |
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Only in the last few months have they begun to appear in what I'd call mainstream laptops, and they are still not present in most smaller devices because of the design issues involved.
It's far from automatic at this stage what you're getting, and it needs to be checked on a device-to-device basis. |
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I wholeheartedly disagree with your assessment that they aren't present in most smaller devices. I listed several newer devices I would consider smaller (iPod Touch, iPhone, Blackberry Storm, HTC smartphones, Archos 5 and 7) that do have LED backlit LCDs and thus no flicker (and thus not the eyestrain menace reported widely in this forum). If you meant even smaller devices than these (watches?), then no, I don't think I'm aware of anything smaller than a 4" display that has LED backlit LCDs, and smaller than that would severely limit their capability as an ereader anyway. But I love your last statement and that has been EXACTLY what I've been trying to state: Quote:
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Your timescales are off, only high end devices have been using LED lighting until a factory conversion in the middle of this year which has lead to mainstream laptops from roughly September having access to LED-lighted panels.
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All of the new smaller display gadgets coming out now are LED backlit LCD because the manufacturing process is ultimately cheaper because of a very low failure rate of LEDs compared to other backlighting sources. And we are talking about a new, yet to emerge device in this thread, so its safe to assume that it will use the prevailing latest affordable tech and go with an LED backlit LCD. |
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Yes, for several years the high end has been moving to LCD's. And "almost all" has been a distinct minority in sales terms (what? you think the high end models sell that well? No, they are - like graphics cards - testbeds and PR items...)
LED's are still considerably more expensive than CCFL - very few devices in the netbook market are LED for example - and assuming in any way that a given device will be LED at this point in time is simply dreaming. No, we need the technical specs before we can say one way or another. |
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This thread seems to have wandered from the point. What about Blio?
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Note that the 22% is a target from producers looking to upsell their market. Neither the Archos 5 nor Archos 7 use LED backlights - those are only specified for the Archos 9 and 10 netbooks. |
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Okay, so the Nexus One has a OLED screen.
Ars has reviewed it, but the relevant image is this: It's the center one - notice it's lighting is considerably less harsh and washed-out! (The left is CCFL lit, the right is very early LED-lit) So yea, modern LED lighting makes a massive amount of difference, but the settings made are equally important - you can adjust OLED brightness downwards *far* more than CCFL's, and the Nexus One has a light sensor which auto-adjusts. Last edited by DawnFalcon; 01-13-2010 at 07:39 AM. |
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He didn't post an advertisment. He posted about the product and then compared it to his product. That is not an advertisment and should be ok.
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What you are asking for here is not an ebook reader but a laptop in my opinion. I don't think most people expect to do their accounting on their ebook. Nor would most people IMO want to take a lot of notes or creating new thing in their ebook reader. It is just my opinion, but I think most people would want an ebook reader to read books. Saying that the devices are pathetic because they are not a full fledged tablet or laptop PC is not appropriate IMO. |
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Blio, by the way, should be up and running very soon. Seems to be a free suck-it-n-see deal. Neil
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