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No one ever said screens make you blind so where you are getting this I don't know. Backlit screens cause more eye strain and affects your eyesight but you will not go blind
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Eye strain is not a health issue. READING anything can cause eye strain. But you stop reading, and your eye remains undamaged. Time and again we have “science says....” and you look at “the science” and it’s TERRIBLE science. Like the recent one involving rats in cages where 6 sides (all the sides) were bright light for 20 hours a day for months on end. And the Hisense executive touted unnamed health issues as why his color eInk was better for eye health. So yes.....my use of blindness was intentionally hyperbolic. Go ahead...name the real world wide pandemic “eye health issue” that has been PAINFULLY OBVIOUS TO SEE (pun intended) because with billions spending hours a day looking at devices....you’d already have massive eye health degradation. Go ahead. I challenge you. With billions looking at devices for hours a day....show me the eye health pandemic that surely must ALREADY EXIST |
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But this seems to correlate better with lack of outdoor time than it does with specific hours spent on devices, and likely (IMO) has little or nothing to do with device lighting. More rigorous research is needed though on a variety of populations, and the causative chains are controversial. Is it sunlight exposure, long focal length, some combination that is protective? Kids who spend a lot of time indoors in high tech societies are likely on devices a lot of the time, but as I said, more studies are needed on the exact mechanisms. https://www.nature.com/news/the-myopia-boom-1.17120 http://atlas.iapb.org/vision-trends/myopia/ https://theconversation.com/too-much...-people-111599 http://retinatoday.com/2019/09/myopi...obal-epidemic/ https://www.iapb.org/wp-content/uplo...yopia_2016.pdf Last edited by meeera; 01-18-2020 at 11:04 PM. |
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If you’re setting the bar that low, we’ve seen an increase in the number of people who need glasses. Sure there could be any number of causes there, but the uptick in using screens more follows that same trend.
Is it definitive evidence? No. But you only asked for eye related health issues which could be related to screen time. Can we stop bringing up this extremely dead horse of a topic? Y’all couldn’t even make it 10 posts in without sniping at each other for rehashing previously stated views. |
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We've seen an uptick in the number of people who need glasses? Source? Geography? Time span?
As far as I can remember in my decade of being here...this particular take has never been put forward. Not the blindness part...but the billions already spending hours a day looking at their devices. This didn’t start with the iPhone....but even if you only wanted to consider the last 12 years. That’s more than enough time that SIGNIFICANT eye health problems should already be at pandemic stage. Everywhere western style diet has been taking hold....you can see obesity skyrocketing. Whether it’s the hamburger or the bun is hotly debated. It MIGHT even be a world wide onset of laziness. But you can see that obesity and it’s related diseases are rampant and growing. All we have for devices damaging eye health is bupkus. It’s people PROJECTING there will be health problems....not people seeing actual increases in eye health problems and then tying those results to device usage. |
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This particular take on eink vs LCD/OLED screens, come on now it’s not been six months even since this very topic was split off another thread and we saw spirited debates on the nature of light in a front lit eink device vs a backlit device. And the health issues of each. Evidence of this is in the first few replies. And the hyperbole certainly doesn’t assist anything. It’s blatant sure, but if you’re trying for an honest discussion it’s just bad form. Meera has also given you sources |
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The uptick in myopia is well established. The steelman version of your argument is that the problem would still exist if people were staring at paper or E Ink all day, but to claim there's no increase in eye issues is patently absurd.
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Nobody's claimed there's been no increase in eye issues to my knowledge. There's simply been no credible scientific/medical studies definitively linking that increase to staring at screens. Even though (contrary to what some would have you believe), I believe there's more than enough knowledge/data out there for someone to make a definitive, scientific case one way or another.
As already noted, the steady uptick in obesity/diabetes can explain an increase in vision issues without resorting to unproven theories about the nature of light and screen technology. Claiming one screen technology is "healthier" than another for the average eyeball is simply not a statement that's based in current scientific fact. That's all I've ever tried to say. Last edited by DiapDealer; 01-19-2020 at 12:34 PM. |
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In fact we could say that e-ink/lcd are both worse than a paper book because they allow bad practices, like reading in the night, which are too difficult to replicate with a real book.
Being exposed to low level conditions could reduce the reactiveness of the cone cells in the long run. Reduced reaction does not mean damage, because it can changed if the environment changes. |
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We can also say that the moon being made of cheese has a negative affect on our eye health. Except it doesn’t because it isn’t. People have read at night for generations, since before we had electricity. It’s not overly difficult. And it’s become less and less difficult over the years prior to frontlight ereaders.
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Why can you watch TV on LCD, read the forum/Internet with LCD and yet you cannot read a book on LCD?
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It's not just sitting around as much as we do in front of the computer and/or TV. It's what we eat. We've been eating healthy most of the time. It does make a difference. |
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As for having enough data, I think we do based on the number of screen out there be it TV, phones, computer, and cars and how long we've had LCD screens available. |
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