What would make Kobo surpass Kindle? - Page 9

John F · 11-23-2017, 06:01 AM

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

Name me one Kindle that can use DRMed eBooks from any eBookstore outside of Amazon? ...

The answer to this question is Pottermore.

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

DRM...where the eBook is tied to specific devices/apps. Where you cannot edit or look at the code.

This seems like a rather meaningless qualification. If the DRM is meant for specific devices/apps than, it is meant for specific devices/apps.

Stevex · 11-23-2017, 08:16 AM

I was browsing this thread once more.
I must admit, for me I don't want any device that doesnt support epub. End of story.
Then I see all the arguments about how people are happy with the Amazon ecosystem and it all works just great. Well, so did the financial world and all the structured products before 2007 came. Maybe 2007 will never come for Amazon and maybe it will.
Anyway Epub may not be so clever like Kfx/Ion (which i do think is quite clever stuff) but it's good for my books!!

Cinisajoy · 11-23-2017, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Stevex

I was browsing this thread once more.
I must admit, for me I don't want any device that doesnt support epub. End of story.
Then I see all the arguments about how people are happy with the Amazon ecosystem and it all works just great. Well, so did the financial world and all the structured products before 2007 came. Maybe 2007 will never come for Amazon and maybe it will.
Anyway Epub may not be so clever like Kfx/Ion (which i do think is quite clever stuff) but it's good for my books!!

Books you read or books you have written?

As for reading books, any format works as long as I can see it. I can't see some paperbacks.

rcentros · 11-24-2017, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Stevex

I was browsing this thread once more.
I must admit, for me I don't want any device that doesnt support epub. End of story.
Then I see all the arguments about how people are happy with the Amazon ecosystem and it all works just great. Well, so did the financial world and all the structured products before 2007 came. Maybe 2007 will never come for Amazon and maybe it will.
Anyway Epub may not be so clever like Kfx/Ion (which i do think is quite clever stuff) but it's good for my books!!

And theoretically Adobe could quit supporting DRM for ePub eBooks. But that's about as likely as Amazon stopping support for their ecosystem. Hypotheticals don't usually mean a whole lot when making practical decisions.

johnnyb · 11-24-2017, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by rcentros

And theoretically Adobe could quit supporting DRM for ePub eBooks. But that's about as likely as Amazon stopping support for their ecosystem. Hypotheticals don't usually mean a whole lot when making practical decisions.

Well, but they should! However, purely virtual hypotheticals without any basis in the empirical world should not.

darryl · 11-26-2017, 03:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Stevex

I was browsing this thread once more.
I must admit, for me I don't want any device that doesnt support epub. End of story.
Then I see all the arguments about how people are happy with the Amazon ecosystem and it all works just great. Well, so did the financial world and all the structured products before 2007 came. Maybe 2007 will never come for Amazon and maybe it will.
Anyway Epub may not be so clever like Kfx/Ion (which i do think is quite clever stuff) but it's good for my books!!

This furphy comes up from time to time but it is quite simply that. Epub with DRM is no better than azw3 or mobi with DRM. Without drm both Amazon formats and Epub are well understood and can be read and converted, kfx now included.

I would prefer to do without the walled gardens but the fact is this is simply not going to happen anytime soon if at all. Personally I would be more concerned about Adobe DRM than Amazon DRM.

JSWolf · 11-26-2017, 06:38 AM

I'm not concerned about either DRM. I can remove either at present. SO until the day comes when we cannot remove the DRM, then it'll be time to be concerned.

Stevex · 11-26-2017, 09:24 AM

The point i was making was nothing to do with drm (as such) or epub being 'better'
Amazon are basically converting reading to a streaming service, where the content ison their servers and they stream the presentation to the device
Even today I guess the vast majority of kindle users do not bother with offline copies, their books are on Amazon servers available on demand.
I do keep my Calibre libraries in the cloud as well but I also keep multiple offline backups.
Can you be sure Amazon will still exist in 20 years? That your home territory and Amazon will be under compatible legal systems. Etc etc. A lot can happen in 2 or 3 decades and even if it's only a one in a thousand chance that's still one too many for me.

shalym · 11-26-2017, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Stevex

The point i was making was nothing to do with drm (as such) or epub being 'better'
Amazon are basically converting reading to a streaming service, where the content ison their servers and they stream the presentation to the device
Even today I guess the vast majority of kindle users do not bother with offline copies, their books are on Amazon servers available on demand.
I do keep my Calibre libraries in the cloud as well but I also keep multiple offline backups.
Can you be sure Amazon will still exist in 20 years? That your home territory and Amazon will be under compatible legal systems. Etc etc. A lot can happen in 2 or 3 decades and even if it's only a one in a thousand chance that's still one too many for me.

The point is that the people who are concerned about it are able to back up their books. Isn't that really the only important thing?

Shari

JSWolf · 11-26-2017, 01:07 PM

The topic here is incorrect. Kobo is better than Kindle.

johnnyb · 11-26-2017, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

The topic here is incorrect. Kobo is better than Kindle.

Sorry, but

I honestly wish they were, but they need to catch up on so many features yet...

ZodWallop · 11-26-2017, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

The topic here is incorrect. Kobo is better than Kindle.

Oh come now.

First, you have to have some gall to critique the topic of a thread you haven't started.

Second, you are being dishonest. The topic is "What would make Kobo surpass Kindle?"

You could say 'surpass' could be interpreted in different ways, so then there's the first post: "Basically what features, etc would cause Kobo to cut into the market share of Kindle in your opinion?"

Stevex · 11-26-2017, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by shalym

The point is that the people who are concerned about it are able to back up their books. Isn't that really the only important thing?

Shari

I have two points
- The vast majority of people don't think about backing up their books, though in my opinion they should. They rely on Amazon.
- I give it max 5 years till it's no longer possible to back up Amazon-purchased books (even with all the apprentices).

Stevex · 11-26-2017, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by johnnyb

Sory, but

I honestly wish they were, but they need to catch up on so many features yet...

I have seen your posts and you are very biased.

I dont want to argue one way or another because I think as e-readers, hmm, I was going to say they're pretty balanced but the more I think onit, maybe the Aura One does have an edge. But a lot of it is just personal preference really.

I mean if I wanted Landscape mode I'd be voting for Kindle I suppose. Just for example.

Braid · 11-26-2017, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Stevex

Even today I guess the vast majority of kindle users do not bother with offline copies, their books are on Amazon servers available on demand.

I don't understand what you mean by this. When I purchase a book from amazon, it downloads automatically onto my Kindle the next time I sync it. From that point on, the file is on my Kindle and I can do what I want with it, regardless of whether I am online or offline.

How is this not the case with the "vast majority" of Kindle users?

11-23-2017, 08:16 AM	#122
Stevex Addict Posts: 225 Karma: 15318 Join Date: Nov 2015 Device: Kobo Glo HD	I was browsing this thread once more. I must admit, for me I don't want any device that doesnt support epub. End of story. Then I see all the arguments about how people are happy with the Amazon ecosystem and it all works just great. Well, so did the financial world and all the structured products before 2007 came. Maybe 2007 will never come for Amazon and maybe it will. Anyway Epub may not be so clever like Kfx/Ion (which i do think is quite clever stuff) but it's good for my books!! Last edited by Stevex; 11-23-2017 at 08:19 AM.

11-26-2017, 09:24 AM	#128
Stevex Addict Posts: 225 Karma: 15318 Join Date: Nov 2015 Device: Kobo Glo HD	The point i was making was nothing to do with drm (as such) or epub being 'better' Amazon are basically converting reading to a streaming service, where the content ison their servers and they stream the presentation to the device Even today I guess the vast majority of kindle users do not bother with offline copies, their books are on Amazon servers available on demand. I do keep my Calibre libraries in the cloud as well but I also keep multiple offline backups. Can you be sure Amazon will still exist in 20 years? That your home territory and Amazon will be under compatible legal systems. Etc etc. A lot can happen in 2 or 3 decades and even if it's only a one in a thousand chance that's still one too many for me. Last edited by Stevex; 11-26-2017 at 09:26 AM.

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11-26-2017, 06:38 AM	#127
JSWolf Resident Curmudgeon Posts: 73,897 Karma: 128597114 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Roslindale, Massachusetts Device: Kobo Libra 2, Kobo Aura H2O, PRS-650, PRS-T1, nook STR, PW3	I'm not concerned about either DRM. I can remove either at present. SO until the day comes when we cannot remove the DRM, then it'll be time to be concerned.

11-26-2017, 01:07 PM	#130
JSWolf Resident Curmudgeon Posts: 73,897 Karma: 128597114 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Roslindale, Massachusetts Device: Kobo Libra 2, Kobo Aura H2O, PRS-650, PRS-T1, nook STR, PW3	The topic here is incorrect. Kobo is better than Kindle.