Kindle 3.2.1 Jailbreak (temporary)

[chas0039]

Originally Posted by jimh12345

Maybe the TV networks claim we can't record a show and skip the commercials. Sorry, Charlie.

I remember when there was a short period of time when it was illegal to record TV shows,commercials and all, before an extra fee was added to tapes to allow for it.

Just because we can do something, it doesn't make it legal.

[highwayman]

Originally Posted by jimh12345

My conscience is clear; I bought the device, I own it, I can modify it.

I think that is true. However Amazon provide an on-line service and they can withdraw that at any time if they wish. It wouldn't leave your Kindle useless but it would reduce its functionality.

[chas0039]

I am waiting to find out if the new Kindle will continue to offer 3G. Nook quietly dropped it with their new model, I am guessing because of the ongoing AT&T costs, and if Amazon does the same on the new model, I will wonder how long it will continue for existing Kindles.

[mrfritz379]

Originally Posted by jimh12345

My conscience is clear; I bought the device, I own it, I can modify it.

Actually, not. Since the Kindle with Special Offers is $25 cheaper than full price, by buying the Kindle with Special Offers, you agreed to the terms, knowingly or not. Amazon, in effect, has paid you $25 to display ads on the device you purchased. It's as though you had purchased the device at regular price, then received payment to render a service back to Amazon (i.e., allow ads to be displayed on your device). Viewed as a two-step transaction, your obligations are obvious. The fact that you didn't know you were agreeing to the deal doesn't change the fact that you kept the money. I, personally, don't see any moral issues with modifying a device you bought and own. But if you're going to keep the money, you are obligated to perform the service, just as Amazon is obligated to deliver content once you've paid for it.

[jimh12345]

Originally Posted by mrfritz379

Actually, not. Since the Kindle with Special Offers is $25 cheaper than full price, by buying the Kindle with Special Offers, you agreed to the terms, knowingly or not. Amazon, in effect, has paid you $25 to display ads on the device you purchased. It's as though you had purchased the device at regular price, then received payment to render a service back to Amazon (i.e., allow ads to be displayed on your device). Viewed as a two-step transaction, your obligations are obvious. The fact that you didn't know you were agreeing to the deal doesn't change the fact that you kept the money. I, personally, don't see any moral issues with modifying a device you bought and own. But if you're going to keep the money, you are obligated to perform the service, just as Amazon is obligated to deliver content once you've paid for it.

Is this post entirely serious?

Logically speaking, it's not possible to unknowingly agree to something. Legally speaking, terms must be disclosed before money changes hands. If that weren't true, you might open the owner's manual of your new TV and find you'd "agreed" not to leave the room during commericials. Nor did I receive an advance payment of $25 from Amazon, for which I must now render the service of looking at ads; I simply bought a product at its full retail price.

[volwrath]

Originally Posted by mrfritz379

Viewed as a two-step transaction, your obligations are obvious.

I promise not to skip through all the commercials on my DVR as well, since that is advertiser-sponsored programming. Must. Fulfill. Obligations...

Nice first post tho

[CaelThunderwing]

Originally Posted by highwayman

I think that is true. However Amazon provide an on-line service and they can withdraw that at any time if they wish. It wouldn't leave your Kindle useless but it would reduce its functionality.

another example in such logic. Look at sony the PS3 and PSN, you own the hardware but when you created a PSN account you entered a ToS that affects the Console usage... by signing up for PSN you agreed to not modify the Console's Sofware contentin anyway shape or form that isnt authorised by sony. violat eit.. and you get banned from PSN


Amazon is implying the same. when you got the KSO Kindle. and Registered it with your amazon account you agreeded to the ToS to not violate, dismantle reverse engineer remove add or therwise affect the Ads , Kindle OS or Offical Kindle/Amazon software.. this doesnt mean you cannot add books non amazon store bought. but to continue using the Storefront your Kindle must remain Intact, Otherwise they have the right to ban it and perma Blacklist it's Serial.

as well when you remove or disable the Ads just never turn Wifi on again.. because the moment it phones home.. its going to "Report to big brother" that the ads cannot function

thers nothing any of us can do to stop you from violating the agreement between you and Amazon, (the one when you purchased the KSO) but common how much of an Annoyance can a ad on a screensaver and the tiny banner on the home menu be to you? they arent FORCING you to stop reading every so often to see them,, they are showing up in the books, or require you view them anytime beyond screensaver and home menu.

Originally Posted by jimh12345

My conscience is clear; I bought the device, I own it, I can modify it.

True the HARDWARE of the device is but Not the software so modifyng it that way legally you are entitled to but like any ToS of this nature.. once you "Screw" with it you cant seek any help whatsoever. At all should you brick your kindle you Cannot recieve any help What so ever from amazon..hell they'd have the right should you try to Keep it and not even return it.

[aiwe]

Originally Posted by dasmoover

ERR_SIGNATURE_FAILED=U007
I have tried a factory reset as well.
Version: Kindle 3.2.1 (576290015)
Any help would be appreciated, thank you.

I have the same issue. No luck on mac os x & windows xp - I'm getting error u007. Does anyone have ideas?

[jimh12345]

Originally Posted by CaelThunderwing

thers nothing any of us can do to stop you from violating the agreement between you and Amazon, (the one when you purchased the KSO)

IMHO:

There was no such agreement. Nothing was printed on the package; nothing was said by the salespeople; no contract was handed to me at the checkout counter, requiring my signature. I bought the product without agreeing to anything. Inside the sealed package, in the owner's manual, is language stating that when I actually use the product I just bought, I'm now agreeing to a bunch of terms, which aren't even stated in the owner's manual; I'm simply directed to a web site, where the terms are stated. Note that since this "agreement" exists only on their web site - not on paper - Amazon can simply change it at any time. They might even have changed it between the time I bought the product and the time I opened it. The bottom line seems to be: buy the product, take it home, upack it, and then we'll tell you what you have to agree to in order to use it; if you don't like the terms, your recourse is to try to get your money back from whoever sold it to you.

This is pure BS.

There's a lot of disagreement in the world today about intellectual property rights. Companies like Amazon are trying to just invent new laws and bluff people into accepting them as accomplished fact. Sometimes they succeed, for a while, by influencing politicians, or by getting in front of a judge who doesn't understand the technology. But those successes will be temporary. Eventually, this line will hold: an agreement that wasn't spelled out in advance isn't binding.

[yifanlu]

I remember a similar argument a while ago about the free 3G. Some people want to use the free Internet to tether to their course stating that they will use the same sites they use on the Kindle, just in color, while the other side claims that it is ripping off amazon for the free 3G and they might get mad and disable 3G.

However both argument are a bit pointless in one fact. Most people cannot tether 3G and most people cannot remove the ads (I still haven't seen proof of ad removal without change of serial). Let the few that CAN do it to deal with the consequences and difficulties themselves. If you REALLY want to tether or block ads, nobody will stop you, but nobody will help you either. If you are really determined and know the consequences (worst case for either hack is amazon disables your kindle), go ahead.

[jimh12345]

The argument is about a bigger issue than ads - the terms of Amazon's so-called "agreement" state that I can't modify the product I now own, in any way. What other product can you think of, where the manufacter is trying to assert that kind of control after the sale?

Amazon is actually trying to deny that we own these devices.

[chas0039]

"You may not modify, reverse engineer, decompile, or disassemble the Kindle or the Software, whether in whole or in part, create any derivative works from or of the Software, or bypass, modify, defeat, or tamper with or circumvent any of the functions or protections of the Kindle or Software or any mechanisms operatively linked to the Software, for example, by augmenting or substituting any digital rights management functionality of the Kindle or Software."

I don't know, if I am deleting a file am I "circumventing" a function? I suppose I am. Defined as "surround so as to force to give up" I am not sure. That's the problem with legal agreements. The terms have such a wide range of interpretations.

[jimh12345]

Imagine you bought a new car, got it home and found a "terms of use" document in the glove box, which you supposedly agree to if you drive the car. It says you can't open the hood, and if they find out you did, they'll remotely disable the car.

I'll quit posting on this now. But read this Wikipedia article about one-sided "standard form" contracts:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_form_contract


It says this:

"Often the document being signed is not the full contract; the purchaser is told that the rest of the terms are in another location. This reduces the likelihood of the terms being read and in some situations, such as software license agreements, can only be read after they have been notionally accepted by purchasing the good and opening the box. These contracts are typically not enforced, since common law dictates that all terms of a contract must be disclosed before the contract is executed."

[maylin]

Yifan,

The readme file inside "kindle-3.2.1-jailbreak-0.5" directory has a listing of -

k3 = Kindle 3 Wifi + 3G (US & Canada)
k3g = Kindle 3 Wifi + 3G (Elsewhere)
k3w = Kindle 3 Wifi

Yet the bin files provided are named -
k3g
k3gb
k3w
Now I just received a kindle 3g/wifi US (by swap my kindle2 3g with amazon customer service for $60).
Which update bin file should I use? Is it "update_jailbreak_0.5_k3g_install.bin"?

Please help!

maylin

[chas0039]

Originally Posted by maylin

Yifan,

The readme file inside "kindle-3.2.1-jailbreak-0.5" directory has a listing of -

k3 = Kindle 3 Wifi + 3G (US & Canada)
k3g = Kindle 3 Wifi + 3G (Elsewhere)
k3w = Kindle 3 Wifi

Yet the bin files provided are named -
k3g
k3gb
k3w
Now I just received a kindle 3g/wifi US (by swap my kindle2 3g with amazon customer service for $60).
Which update bin file should I use? Is it "update_jailbreak_0.5_k3g_install.bin"?

Please help!

maylin

He acknowledged the typo here in question 33. K3G is for the 3G version, US and Canada