Is there a standard format for library eBooks?

RonaldJJames · 03-04-2010, 09:29 AM

I'm looking for an Ebook Reader and one of my requirements is the ability to read eBooks from public libraries. I understand that the ePub format supports book expiration and would therefore be suitable for libraries to provide. Are there other formats that libraries may provide?

Thanks

Croptop · 03-04-2010, 09:46 AM

ePub is the only format I've encountered so far but that doesn't mean that there aren't other formats in use elsewhere.

phansen1218 · 03-04-2010, 09:46 AM

The 2 library's I have access to both have epub books (they use overdrive). I am using a sony prs-600 and have had no trouble downloading books from both of them.

Ken Maltby · 03-04-2010, 09:52 AM

I think most require that you obtain a library card with that library system/city, to use
their ebook loaning setup. Which means that you will have to conform to the formats
that the library system(s) you are a resident of, are using. For most of us, that limits
our choices, a lot.

The library Systems I have encountered are not shy about the services they offer,
you should find it all spelled out on their web site.

Luck;
Ken

rcuadro · 03-04-2010, 10:19 AM

I have seen PDF and ePub... and the library used Overdrive.

I forgot... there are a couple books available as mobi but not many...

TallMomof2 · 03-04-2010, 10:33 AM

It depends. At my library ebooks are offered in ePub, PDF, or MOBI. Only newer ebooks may be offered in ePub and occasionally MOBI. Older ebooks are offered mostly in MOBI with a smattering of PDF.

Newer versus older refers to when the ebook was added to the collection. Assuming that you have the same Overdrive interface you will be able to list the books in order of when they were added.

My local library system usually has an ebook inventory of around 500 ebooks most of which are best sellers.

asjogren · 03-04-2010, 11:18 AM

My Public Library (Seattle using Overdrive.com) has all 3 and all 3 have DRM:
- PDF has the most
- ePub seems be getting more of the new titles
- Mobi

I still await the eReader that handles all 3 with no "games". A notebook or netbook computer with Adobe Digital Editions plus MobiPocket Reader at present appears to be the best single solution.

I hope some of the future hybrid devices will solve this. I expect the Entourage Edge will with additional software in the near future.

dsvick · 03-04-2010, 11:22 AM

Cleveland has ePub, PDF, and mobi. The greatest number are in PDF, but the newer ones are in ePub so they are slowly converting.

DawnFalcon · 03-04-2010, 12:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by asjogren

I hope some of the future hybrid devices will solve this.

Mobipocket (i.e. Amazon) refuse to allow that.

asjogren · 03-04-2010, 12:57 PM

Amazon may not create the application, but all the pieces are available.

There are non-Amazon applications that can read, display, and convert to/from Mobi.

The encryption scheme is already known. Creating a "new" MobiPocket ID and registering it with your library is not a problem - I already registered my Kindle.

Unless MobiPocket PATENTED the process, it seems to me that processes that we can do with scripts and Calibre could be implemented in a new eReader program. And if done appropriately, would not expose an unencrypted eBook.

If any of these (future) eReaders is straight Linux and supports WINE and is/or emulates Intel, then a real MobiPocket Reader can be installed.

edembowski · 03-04-2010, 03:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by asjogren

...
The encryption scheme is already known. Creating a "new" MobiPocket ID and registering it with your library is not a problem - I already registered my Kindle.

A sane person may take this approach. Unfortunately, the authors and supporters of the DMCA to not take this position, and anyone making a 3rd party implementation would face legal problems. This is one of those things where there is not a great deal of case law to support or reject the implementation, but I strongly suspect that it would not go well. In any case, there will be a legal problem.

Quote:

If any of these (future) eReaders is straight Linux and supports WINE and is/or emulates Intel, then a real MobiPocket Reader can be installed.

This would be another good way to go, but software distribution would be a problem. The user would need to follow some type of procedure to get the software installed (the 3rd party could not redistribute the app without a license).

- Ed

Joykins · 03-04-2010, 03:26 PM

I've seen epub, pdf, and mobi.

My nook can handle the epub and pdf just fine, and the fact is they don't have anything in mobi that they don't have in pdf in the libraries I use.

Sydney's Mom · 03-04-2010, 03:43 PM

Chicago Public Library has pdf, epub and mobi. Epub seems to be taking the lead. I read all 3 on my kindle, and don't worry about the fact that I use something to break DRM in order to get them in a format my kindle will read. I actually would enjoy being the defendant in a "Kindle user reads library books!" copyright suit.

guyanonymous · 03-06-2010, 10:04 AM

A little graphic illustration about why DRM doesn't work (one of many out there)....this one applies to libraries and Overdrive.

p.s., is there a way to have your attached images display inline in your text?

Jim Lester · 03-06-2010, 10:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by guyanonymous

A little graphic illustration...

If you are going to repost the guy's work, the least you could do is to give him credit. This work came from Brad Colbow: http://www.bradcolbow.com/archive.php/?p=205

03-04-2010, 09:29 AM	#1
RonaldJJames Junior Member Posts: 2 Karma: 10 Join Date: Feb 2008 Device: PRS500	Is there a standard format for library eBooks? I'm looking for an Ebook Reader and one of my requirements is the ability to read eBooks from public libraries. I understand that the ePub format supports book expiration and would therefore be suitable for libraries to provide. Are there other formats that libraries may provide? Thanks

03-04-2010, 10:19 AM	#5
rcuadro Wizard Posts: 1,686 Karma: 874275 Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Virginia Beach, VA Device: Kindle DX	I have seen PDF and ePub... and the library used Overdrive. I forgot... there are a couple books available as mobi but not many... Last edited by rcuadro; 03-04-2010 at 11:20 AM.

03-06-2010, 10:04 AM	#14
guyanonymous Guru Posts: 692 Karma: 27532 Join Date: Dec 2007 Device: Ebookwise 1150 / 1200	A little graphic illustration about why DRM doesn't work (one of many out there)....this one applies to libraries and Overdrive. p.s., is there a way to have your attached images display inline in your text? Attached Thumbnails

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03-04-2010, 09:46 AM	#2
Croptop Groupie Posts: 154 Karma: 1018434 Join Date: Nov 2009 Device: Kobo Elipsa, Kobo Aura One, Pixel 8 Pro	ePub is the only format I've encountered so far but that doesn't mean that there aren't other formats in use elsewhere.

03-04-2010, 09:46 AM	#3
phansen1218 Member Posts: 22 Karma: 10 Join Date: Nov 2009 Device: none	The 2 library's I have access to both have epub books (they use overdrive). I am using a sony prs-600 and have had no trouble downloading books from both of them.

03-04-2010, 09:52 AM	#4
Ken Maltby Wizard Posts: 4,465 Karma: 6900052 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: The Heart of Texas Device: Boox Note2, AuraHD, PDA,	I think most require that you obtain a library card with that library system/city, to use their ebook loaning setup. Which means that you will have to conform to the formats that the library system(s) you are a resident of, are using. For most of us, that limits our choices, a lot. The library Systems I have encountered are not shy about the services they offer, you should find it all spelled out on their web site. Luck; Ken

03-04-2010, 10:33 AM	#6
TallMomof2 Kindlephilia Posts: 2,017 Karma: 1139255 Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Snowpacolypse 2010 Device: Too many to count	It depends. At my library ebooks are offered in ePub, PDF, or MOBI. Only newer ebooks may be offered in ePub and occasionally MOBI. Older ebooks are offered mostly in MOBI with a smattering of PDF. Newer versus older refers to when the ebook was added to the collection. Assuming that you have the same Overdrive interface you will be able to list the books in order of when they were added. My local library system usually has an ebook inventory of around 500 ebooks most of which are best sellers.

03-04-2010, 11:18 AM	#7
asjogren Addict Posts: 266 Karma: 1378 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Seattle / San Carlos, Sonora, Mexico Device: Kindle & WiFi Nook & PocketBook IQ	My Public Library (Seattle using Overdrive.com) has all 3 and all 3 have DRM: - PDF has the most - ePub seems be getting more of the new titles - Mobi I still await the eReader that handles all 3 with no "games". A notebook or netbook computer with Adobe Digital Editions plus MobiPocket Reader at present appears to be the best single solution. I hope some of the future hybrid devices will solve this. I expect the Entourage Edge will with additional software in the near future.

03-04-2010, 11:22 AM	#8
dsvick Wizard Posts: 2,737 Karma: 635747 Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Northeast Ohio, USA Device: PRS-900	Cleveland has ePub, PDF, and mobi. The greatest number are in PDF, but the newer ones are in ePub so they are slowly converting.

03-04-2010, 12:57 PM	#10
asjogren Addict Posts: 266 Karma: 1378 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Seattle / San Carlos, Sonora, Mexico Device: Kindle & WiFi Nook & PocketBook IQ	Amazon may not create the application, but all the pieces are available. There are non-Amazon applications that can read, display, and convert to/from Mobi. The encryption scheme is already known. Creating a "new" MobiPocket ID and registering it with your library is not a problem - I already registered my Kindle. Unless MobiPocket PATENTED the process, it seems to me that processes that we can do with scripts and Calibre could be implemented in a new eReader program. And if done appropriately, would not expose an unencrypted eBook. If any of these (future) eReaders is straight Linux and supports WINE and is/or emulates Intel, then a real MobiPocket Reader can be installed.

03-04-2010, 03:26 PM	#12
Joykins Wizard Posts: 1,601 Karma: 9211856 Join Date: Jan 2010 Device: kindle Oasis 2018, kindle 4 NT, kindle PW2, iPhone, iPad mini	I've seen epub, pdf, and mobi. My nook can handle the epub and pdf just fine, and the fact is they don't have anything in mobi that they don't have in pdf in the libraries I use.

03-04-2010, 03:43 PM	#13
Sydney's Mom Wizard Posts: 2,895 Karma: 6995721 Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Idaho, on the side of a mountain Device: Kindle Oasis, Fire 3d Gen and 5th Gen and Samsung Tab S	Chicago Public Library has pdf, epub and mobi. Epub seems to be taking the lead. I read all 3 on my kindle, and don't worry about the fact that I use something to break DRM in order to get them in a format my kindle will read. I actually would enjoy being the defendant in a "Kindle user reads library books!" copyright suit.