08-08-2008, 05:11 PM | #76 | |
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And unless you are living a completely paper free existance, (ever go to school, have a birth certificate, buy a house, use a credit card, sign up for utilites, (electric, water, etc?) you are 'on the grid'....... |
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08-08-2008, 05:48 PM | #77 | |
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Of course the law is competetive. The bottom line of being an attorney is the ability to argue a point. That by its very nature is a competition. As mentioned ... most of the searches are going to be so cursory as to be almost laughable. Naturally, that's a prediction on my part ... but since the original post was whether people were "worried" about Customs ability to search digital media, I would still have to say ... no. Not worried. Don't think it is going to amount to all that much. |
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08-08-2008, 05:52 PM | #78 | |
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If you would like, I can post my law degree. Graduated in the top 5% of my class, cum laude, and was an editor on the International Law Journal. So, judging by your statements here, I would say that you are really really walking into slander and libel territory. Or, I could be kind and just say that you must be an idiot. |
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08-08-2008, 06:05 PM | #79 | |
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You mean your international attorney friend didn't tell you that??? Oh gee. So sorry. Take a few classes in Constitutional Law and then ... maybe ... probably not, but maybe, you'll be able to discuss the law intelligently. Oh, and there are a lot of Federal properties on which cameras are absolutely prohibited. Not allowed at all .... doesn't matter if you are taking pictures or not. The camera itself is not allowed. My assumption would be that you wandered onto such an area. And, considering the type of person you seem to be (I'll admit this is based on a very tenuous acquaintence), I'll bet you behaved like a perfect twit. You are lucky they just told you to take it to the other side of the street. You know .... there is only one country on the entire earth that has an almost completely unblemished record towards the rights of its citizens. You know what else??? It's not the United States, it's not Canada and it's not the Netherlands. They aren't even particularly near the top of the list. So, pardon me if I don't wrap myself up in red, white and blue cloth and start singing the National Anthem. I'm not the National Anthem, flag waving sort. I don't believe in "my country right or wrong." Actually, I don't believe in ANY country "right or wrong." However, I do believe that US Customs and Immigration have a perfect right to make border searches ... and that includes digital media. So, while you are "clarifying" things ... first, do (please) try to become a little better versed in the topic. Second, please don't equate your wandering onto US Federal grounds where cameras are prohibited with some sort of weird evil plot on the part of the US Government to deprive you of your personal camera. Third, don't even think about quoting the Fourth Amendment when it DOESN'T APPLY IN THIS CASE. |
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08-08-2008, 06:16 PM | #80 | |
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Can you appreciate the irony in claiming you don't want to waste time reading an article written "by some idiot on the internet" while being perfectly content to argue at length on some random internet forum thread with a couple of idiots like me? |
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08-08-2008, 06:21 PM | #81 | |
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Hey .... George Bush is a moron. Oh, what .... you expected me to say something different?? Do I agree with EVERYTHING the Republican Right has done in the past eight years .... ??? .... HELL NO!! I'll let you in on a little secret. Those song lyrics about "land of the free?" They have to do with .... are you ready for this ... free speech. They do not mean (and I do mean emphatically NOT) that everyone in this country is free to do whatever the hell they want. Get real. And, another point that probably should be made, even if it is off topic, there are times that the United States has treated large numbers of its citizenry in a manner that is beyond shameful. You want a real shock ... read up on the experiments at the Tuskeegee Institute. That will knock your socks off. The United States is far from perfect .... we are a VERY diverse group of something like 270,000,000 people, and who knows how many cultures, who for the most part try very hard to get along together. Sometimes we fail miserably. Sometimes we do pretty damn well. It is at those times that I am proud to be an American ... not so much at the other times. I happen to be fiscally conservative and socially liberal. That's my personal stance ... I happen to like that social and political view and I'm sticking with it. Even speaking as a social liberal, I see the need for appropriate searches at the border. I'm amazed that in the post 9/11 paranoia (justified or not) that the policy is as sanely written as it is. So, there you have it. I would be so pleased (and somewhat amazed actually) if people posting would stop using words like "confiscation" ... or "unreasonable search and seizure without a warrant" ... when those terms and concepts simply do not apply to border searches. They just DON'T. Simply because you (or any other poster .... US Citizen or not) decides to say that they do .... doesn't mean they actually do. It never ceases to amaze me how many people who have had absolutely no legal education and don't happen to live in the US are suddenly Constitutional scholars on the internet. Good freaking grief. |
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08-08-2008, 06:26 PM | #82 | |
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I'm happy you are happy with whatever system they have in your country. That's why you live there .... and you should keep living there ... and go on being happy. I will do the same in my country ... and when I think there's a problem with the legal system here ... I will do something to try to change it. OK with you?? |
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08-08-2008, 06:28 PM | #84 | |
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Well, as a self-confessed idiot, I must again recommend reading the article of the other idiot over wasting time on this thread.
As for stepping back and taking a breather, I think we are doing just fine, rcr62, but thanks anyway. Coming back to free speech, I wonder how 9/11 has affected that in the USA. Would you contend that there has been zero effect? edit: sorry if we annoy you. It is after 0:30 in my timezone and definitely after a few drinks. Last edited by acidzebra; 08-08-2008 at 06:46 PM. |
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Being a former college debater and high school debate coach, yes I enjoy good debates. When it devolves down to name calling, and digitally sticking your tongue out, it serves little useful purpose other than to anger people.
However, you want to keep going more power to you. I am heading over to the other thread and will ignore this one. |
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08-08-2008, 07:06 PM | #88 | |
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9/11 was a national trauma, and a wake up call for many people. But such disasters always produce divided opinions on how to deal with them, and how to insure they don't recur. There is an awful lot of rhetoric being tossed around over here on the topic. I know many people with strong opinions. I know of very few reluctant to express them. I have run into a few folks who fear that saying what they honestly think will bring The Powers That Be down upon them, and are afraid of their mail being snooped on and their conversations in public forums monitored. For the most part, my response is "You wish you were important enough that anyone in power could be bothered to do that!" I have a web based GMail account, and prefer the web interface and leaving the mail on Google's servers. Sure, google or someone could theoretically read my mail. I don't care. "What" Thou woulds't go through two gigabytes of archived email? Go to, my bucko!" Unless you're me, with my particular set of interests, you're be mystified or terminally bored. I've never considered email a secure medium, and I don't say things in email I'd be all that unhappy about were they to become public. The same goes for what I say in any other public forum. There are only so many people in <pick whichever three letter acronym Federal agency you prefer> that do that, and all have far more important uses for their time than paying attention to me. I don't matter. I'm not important. They don't care what I think. That suits me just fine. ______ Dennis |
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She was a teenage girl, living at home with her family, about to graduate high school and go to college. Everyone was very freaked out about the visit. I wondered what anyone expected. One of the jobs of the Secret Service is to protect the President. They are required to follow up on allegations like that, and to document the followup. They are paid to be paranoid and leave their sense of humor at home when they go to work. I felt constrained to point this out, and to make clear that it had nothing to do with the current administration. They would do the same on behalf of any seated President, because it was their job. I didn't share the concern that the Secret Service visit was now on her record and would influence things like whether she got into the college of her choice. What record? Kept by whom? And looked at under what circumstances? And I mourned the declining quality of education in the US. I knew the function of the Secret Service from Civics classes in Jr. High School, and could predict what would happen when a complaint was received. I was amazed at the folks who were surprised, and reserved my scorn for the idiot who made the complaint against her. I have no use for the current administration, will cheer when they leave office, and will cross fingers the next one will do a better job (hard to imagine them doing a worse one), but I keep a sense of perspective about it all. People have, are, and will do all manner of things to get and hold power, but we aren't just this side of a police state yet. ______ Dennis |
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