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That seems an argument that some don't wish to equate into the cost of producing a paper-version of a book... transport costs, especially these days, must be significant. Not only for the finished book itself, but starting the whole process from tree-felling/paper-recycling through to ink manufacture; factor in staff costs associated with these.... |
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08-14-2008, 04:28 PM | #62 | |
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And I have no idea whether these book readers use uncommon or rare materials - trees are self-replenishing (when done right). And of course these ebook readers also have to be transported (raw materials mined and shipped, half-products fabricated and shipped, final product assembled and shipped, store shipping). It is interesting to ponder these relative costs - but I find it hard to see a clear winner - so many factors. Last edited by acidzebra; 08-14-2008 at 04:35 PM. |
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If by reused you mean chucked in a landfill in Africa I would agree - statistics on recycling of high-tech goods are depressing. And I seriously doubt hardware manufacturers have incentive to create longer-lasting gadgets
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I agree with acidzebra, the electronic waste disposal is a tragedy that would even make rambo cry. And that is sad.
However I disagree that there would be some narrow "tie" between eBooks and paper-books in respect to sustainability. You can sell an eBook arbitrarily many times without having to consider gathering new resources/reprinting/transporting. |
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That does not mean they can't get better: Like other recycling efforts worldwide, there's still lots of room for improvement, and great potential for cutting back waste.
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I do agree that in a world where everyone has access to a ebook reader (oh, fabjous day! Callooh! Callay!) ebooks would be a clear winner for their infinite duplication with near-zero cost trait that you've mention. But even in a best-case scenario ebook readers will be a niche market for a long time to come, IMHO. For many of the more complex components the resources used to create them would have to become extremely scarce for it to be cost-effective to recycle them, and cost-effectiveness and/or scarcity is the only way you are going to get large corporations to do something there. The frames and large homogeneous parts are obviously much easier to recycle. Last edited by acidzebra; 08-14-2008 at 05:03 PM. |
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This is part two of two regarding fiber systems; in the course FFR101 - Sustainable use of resources given at Chalmers University of Technology (link to syllabus). It has some interesting numbers on paper use etc.
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eBooks do not have such costs after production. I've heard serveral publishers argue this point but not one has commented that they are giving the full printing discount to the eBook customer. My question to you is are you giving us the full discount? As for conversion tools. I'll invite you to look at this site uploaded eBooks. Typeically there are three formats of each book are typically stored. SONY(lrf), Mobi, and eReader. All are based off of HTML and it is quite trivial to convert between each format. It takes me no more that a push of a button to convert between LIT/MOBI/SONY/eReader. Quote:
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TomBolini just told me that they are coming up with an italian website where there's a form for writing to the publisher. They have a preliminary site up, and are in wait for a new domain:
Message from TomBolini: http://montefusco.aulavirtuale.it/in...ppl_ebook.html with a caveat: we just registered the domain DILLOALLEDITORE.ORG (tellthepublisher), and waiting for it to launch the application. Well done !!! Last edited by haridasi; 08-25-2008 at 03:34 AM. |
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that's absolutely brilliant !
ah, but haridasi, your link is broken. the url seems to be incomplete. |
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Tombolini informed me that the italian site http://www.dilloalleditore.org is not up and running. Well done Tombolini !
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