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View Poll Results: Should the KoboTouchExtended calibre plugin enable side-loaded KePub reading stats? | |||
Yes - I want them at any cost | 35 | 31.82% | |
Yes, and I promise to be careful when syncing with Kobo | 29 | 26.36% | |
Yes - I have a different reason | 1 | 0.91% | |
I don't care about KePub reading stats | 12 | 10.91% | |
No - I buy/sync most of my books from Kobo | 3 | 2.73% | |
No - I think it would be too confusing or cause too many problems | 19 | 17.27% | |
No - I have a different reason | 1 | 0.91% | |
I don't use the KoboTouchExtended plugin | 10 | 9.09% | |
Voters: 110. You may not vote on this poll |
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11-13-2013, 12:50 AM | #16 |
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In the test version I was given, you had the option to decide whether to enable the stats. I'm quite sure that if the stats version is generally released that it will still function that way, so it will be your choice to enable the stats. And yes, the default was NOT to enable the stats.
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11-13-2013, 03:33 AM | #17 | ||
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I would have no problem if your plugin would allow as default not to enable the stats so that those who wanted could keep using your plugin "nature" and enjoy it. As always, thanks for this wonderful plugin! |
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11-13-2013, 04:37 AM | #18 |
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The stats I'm referring to are the in-book detailed stats. Go into any book you purchased from Kobo and tap the bottom of the screen to bring up the bottom menu bar. In Firmware 2.10.0, on the bottom right will be an icon that looks like a bar graph, tapping it will show detailed information including a bar graph showing the length if each chapter, how much time is estimated for completing the current chapter, and how much time is estimated for completing the next chapter.
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11-13-2013, 05:34 AM | #19 |
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Hi,
I like your plugin and use it for all of my ebooks. Now I understand the difficulties of enabling stats, I wouldn't use it and would prefer to have the choice to use your plugin the way it is at the moment. I'm happy to see the remaining pages of the chapter, I don't need the rest of the stats. One word (or a few more) to the Kobo bookstore: I would buy all my ebooks from kobo but unfortunately their selection of German ebooks is still a shame. Even years after entering the German market they don't offer ebooks from major German publishers. So I'm force to cheat on kobo and buy many books from other stores. Thanks again for the plugin and the work you have done! |
11-13-2013, 02:36 PM | #20 |
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EDIT: Kobo firmware 3.13.1 restored reading stats to sideloaded KePub files. Please don't go looking for this version anymore, use the normal plugin version. I'm removing this version because of how bad it is.
As I use the side-loaded reading stats more and more, I find more and more issues. And as I read the "please don't do this" posts and talk to people on either side, I'm more and more convinced that this should be abandoned. For those of you who really really really want it, because it's literally no additional effort on my part to do so, I'll give you a one-time package that will allow you to use side-loaded reading stats. You will have to set the environment variable KOBOTOUCHEXTENDED_READING_STATS to 'True' (the capitalization on both is important) in addition to setting the option in the plugin preferences. The attached ZIP file can be added to calibre. It will update the existing KoboTouchExtended plugin to version 999.999.999, so you'll never get any future updates (which will not have this functionality enabled) and you'll have to remove the plugin, reinstall, and lose side-loaded reading stats to get updates. There will be no support from me for anything related to this, and any issues with the plugin will require you to update to a version without the reading stats functionality to be addressed. Yes, I'm deliberately making this needlessly difficult; the potential for issues is too great to allow this to be accidentally enabled. You must also understand that you can't talk to Kobo about any issues unless you remove all side-loaded KePubs added with this plugin version and then reproduce the issue with a KePub purchased and synced from Kobo. Last edited by jgoguen; 10-02-2015 at 08:58 AM. |
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Regardless of this, thanks again for all your wonderful work on this plugin! |
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11-13-2013, 03:37 PM | #22 |
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I also buy a lot of books from Kobo, but also sideload others. My best option at the moment is to just stay on 2.8.1 until Kobo decides they want to put the stats back in.
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11-14-2013, 06:39 AM | #23 | ||||
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First, thanks for doing the Extended driver.
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I would still like to see something done, maybe a separate utility, or an extended extended driver? Quote:
I'm not sure why default option of disabling it would cause any concerns. It looks like close to half the people in the poll wanted the feature, which sounds like a pretty good reason to implement it. It seems like a lot more esoteric features have been implemented. The only benefit I (personally see) is the kepub features in the extended driver, so I'm just going to stick with the current driver (I'm back a few versions) and firmware, and I'll switch back to epubs (and ditch the extended driver) when I need to update to the latest firmware. For me, the Extended driver is going to be un-necessary. Quote:
The shelving seems so complex (to the user), yet there is no problem implementing it. I'm an adult, I don't need a nanny. If I want ease of use, I'll switch to a Kindle. Quote:
Again, let the user decide, don't be a nanny. |
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It is doable. I did it I just can't justify the additional maintenance work with all the issues it causes. I have a very new infant at home, my priority must be him, which means I have to be quite careful about what I do that takes more of my time. Any changes at all to the database schema in any of the tables affected would require going over the code to make sure it still works and to make changes to support new DB versions. Conveniently enough, the change from DB version 89 (firmware 2.10.0) to DB version 92 (firmware version 3.0.0) makes a schema change to an affected table.
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Also, some of those more esoteric options were features that I originally refused to implement or felt were better implemented elsewhere. My opinion of having the code in the plugin is not chiselled in stone, but my opinion of not supporting it is pretty darn close. This may seem odd, being the person who developed and maintains the driver, but I actually hope that Kobo develops to the point where the extended driver is pointless because they use ePub3 features to provide a consistent and equally-awesome experience for all books rather than maintaining their own proprietary modifications and using an inferior (and unsupportable) renderer for non-Kobo books. Quote:
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Which is easily undone if you make a mistake. Again, no risk of data loss. These are probably the only examples that actually compare. The hardest part about manually loading firmware is knowing which link to click (which requires knowing which reader you have...) and unzipping a file. Using plug-ins and patches is your best example, you (probably?) have no idea what these may be doing to the underlying software and they could cause data loss. But in this case, I look at the number of people installing my plugin and ask how many of them (and how many people in general) use a plug-in/patch that actually carries a data loss risk? As a full-time software developer for my day job, there's a line between giving the end-user choice and protecting them from themselves. Again, I'm OK with having the code available and in the plugin, but it's going to be harder to enable than a simple check box and I won't support/maintain it. |
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11-14-2013, 10:01 AM | #25 |
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I voted Yes, I want them at any cost. That said, I don't upgrade, I stay where everything works, in effect, as you wrote:
To have in-book reading stats for side-loaded KePubs using the KoboTouchExtended driver, you therefore must (while you have side-loaded KePub files anyway) disable wireless on your device, never turn it back on, and never again use the Kobo Desktop software. Firmware updates either need to be side-loaded manually. So my Glo stays on 2.6.1 and I use the extended driver to create side loaded kepubs, which do show the in-book stats. My Mini is on 2.8.1 and also shows the stats. I do have some side loaded epubs on both devices, but find I prefer the kepubs. I like knowing how much time is left. |
11-14-2013, 02:40 PM | #26 |
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I am wiling to try this but I dont know how to set environment variables for device any ideas? I know how to do the plugin though
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11-14-2013, 02:52 PM | #27 |
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These are NOT set on the device; rather they are set ON YOUR PC before starting calibre!
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11-14-2013, 05:41 PM | #28 |
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I forgot I DO use your plugin...only for my Japanese books/newspapers so that everything works properly (otherwise too many problems)...I just haven't added any lately ;D
But even though I like the stats, I'm fairly adverse to the risky so I am quite happy with the other kepub benefits, so keep up the good work! |
11-15-2013, 03:27 AM | #29 |
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11-15-2013, 03:29 AM | #30 |
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I'll give it a go again today. I'm one of those people that then to always fight sleep because I want to finish a chapter so it will be nice to know how much I have left.
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