Seriousness ID cards how do YOU feel about them - Page 2

GeoffC · 05-13-2009, 05:09 AM

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Originally Posted by roger the rabbit

Yes I thought so. The point I was trying to make is that in most of Europe no id means no use of credit or debit cards. & reduced fraud.

My wife used to have a debit card that had her photograph fixed into it. This didn't stop shops checking with the bank that is was actually her card ....

astra · 05-13-2009, 11:27 AM

I don't mind at all.

cklammer · 05-18-2009, 02:19 AM

In Germany as per the law you have to carry your id card on you at all times. You have to get one when you are 16 years old.

I am currently living in the United Arab Emirates and the UAE government is currently enrolling everybody in their compulsory ID card program (a process that has been going on for years and is planned to continue for more years). The UAE national ID card will have your fingerprints and retina prints encoded on a chip. It is planned that it will eventually replace ATM cards, driving licenses and health insurance (to name the most common). See the Emirates ID website as well as gulfnews.com, thenational.ae and khaleejtimes.com for further details for anyone who is interested.

I am going with my family tomorrow to enroll as our appointment date is set for tomorrow after a six months' wait.

cklammer

Peverel · 05-18-2009, 02:45 AM

Personally I would say I do not want an ID card system in the UK, primarily due to the ID database that is being associated with it and the UK Governments total inability to keep this data safe and not loose it. I mean in the last 18 months they have lost so much data, including the details of every person in the UK who has children between the ages of 1 and 18!!!!!!!

HarryT · 05-18-2009, 04:09 AM

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Originally Posted by roger the rabbit

You can't use a credit card here (or in most of Europe) without ID / passport The UK is very lax on this as you have photo id

The UK does have a de facto "identity card" already - the credit card-sized photo driving licence, which the overwhelming majority of people have. I always use mine where ID is required - eg when withdrawing a large sum of money from the bank.

DigiDirk · 05-18-2009, 05:19 AM

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Originally Posted by cklammer

In Germany as per the law you have to carry your id card on you at all times. You have to get one when you are 16 years old.

That's a common misunderstanding.

You have to have one. You have to present it, when there's reason to.

But you do not have to carry it arround at all times.

http://www.rechtslexikon-online.de/Ausweispflicht.html

Dirk

cklammer · 05-18-2009, 05:30 AM

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Originally Posted by HarryT

The UK does have a de facto "identity card" already - the credit card-sized photo driving licence, which the overwhelming majority of people have. I always use mine where ID is required - eg when withdrawing a large sum of money from the bank.

This reminds me of my USA vacation last summer: Everytime I made a large credit card purchase the sales staff requested to see "picture id". So I always gave them my international driving license which was issued here in the UAE. Each and every time it was accepted without the slightest hesitation - even though it was basically an A6-size grey cardboard booklet with my picture stapled (!!!) inside and filled out and stamped by hand (the stamp was arabic and english). How many US sales staff have ever seen an interntional driving license I am asking you ? (Seriously: everybody knows about international driving licenses in the US?)

Not once I was asked to show a (what I classify a real) identity document like my passport. I perceived that as really ridiculous. You could fake such a cardboard crap document like that IDL in almost no time.

In contrast, my issuing bank here in the UAE called for each and every of those large transactions within twenty minutes to confirm them with me. Whow.

cklammer

Disclaimer: If you find this post inflammatory: it is so because I tend to be an inflammatory person. Nothing personal.

Sweetpea · 05-18-2009, 05:48 AM

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Originally Posted by DigiDirk

That's a common misunderstanding.

You have to have one. You have to present it, when there's reason to.

But you do not have to carry it arround at all times.

http://www.rechtslexikon-online.de/Ausweispflicht.html

Dirk

Yep, the same here. In effect, you should carry it around at all times, because you'll never know if you happen to come across a situation where there is reason to show it

I usually have my passport with me (you never know when you'll decide to leave everything and just split!) but in summer, I usually only bring my driver's licence as that is much smaller (I don't have a credit card sized yet, even though they are available here for the last 4 years).

Gibbo · 05-18-2009, 06:28 AM

We've had an ID card for donkey years, I think they were introduced around 1754 when the Queen joined the girl guides

Anggun · 05-18-2009, 06:42 AM

- Do you have to carry an identity document in your country
No

- If so is it your country of birth.
Yes

While it isn't compulsory to bring my Identity Card with me, I do. You need it for official reasons, banks and it is also used as a library card here. And I'm used to carrying it around.

You never know when you needed it.. e.g. I accidentally got on a wrong bus once which went straight to the border and I had to exit at the immigration checkpoint... I had to tell the officer that I board the wrong bus (apparently, I wasn't the only one that day) and show proof that I did not enter this country illegally.

tirsales · 05-18-2009, 07:00 AM

I dont see the big problem with ID cards ... Whether my data is available via the driving license, the social security number of my passport-number - it is available. (I feel different about saving additional information like e.g. fingerprints with the ID).

GeoffC · 05-18-2009, 09:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HarryT

The UK does have a de facto "identity card" already - the credit card-sized photo driving licence, which the overwhelming majority of people have. I always use mine where ID is required - eg when withdrawing a large sum of money from the bank.

I've still got, only, my pink licence.....

HarryT · 05-18-2009, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by GeoffC

I've still got, only, my pink licence.....

The next time you get some points on your licence they'll force you to get a photo licence. That's how I got mine

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GeoffC · 05-18-2009, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by HarryT

The next time you get some points on your licence they'll force you to get a photo licence. That's how I got mine

.

Points ?

Is that like Karma ?

tirsales · 05-18-2009, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by GeoffC

Points ?

Is that like Karma ?

Similar, only not for good posts but fast driving. Kind of a congratulation bonus

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05-13-2009, 11:27 AM	#17
astra The Introvert Posts: 8,307 Karma: 1000077497 Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: United Kingdom Device: Sony Reader PRS-650 & 505 & 500	I don't mind at all.

05-18-2009, 02:19 AM	#18
cklammer Zealot Posts: 106 Karma: 450 Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Abu Dhabi, United Arab Emirates Device: Palm Centro, Acer Aspire One	In Germany as per the law you have to carry your id card on you at all times. You have to get one when you are 16 years old. I am currently living in the United Arab Emirates and the UAE government is currently enrolling everybody in their compulsory ID card program (a process that has been going on for years and is planned to continue for more years). The UAE national ID card will have your fingerprints and retina prints encoded on a chip. It is planned that it will eventually replace ATM cards, driving licenses and health insurance (to name the most common). See the Emirates ID website as well as gulfnews.com, thenational.ae and khaleejtimes.com for further details for anyone who is interested. I am going with my family tomorrow to enroll as our appointment date is set for tomorrow after a six months' wait. cklammer

05-18-2009, 02:45 AM	#19
Peverel Still Easily Confused Posts: 889 Karma: 505319 Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Hampshire/Berkshire/Surrey - yes I am that big Device: Kindle	Personally I would say I do not want an ID card system in the UK, primarily due to the ID database that is being associated with it and the UK Governments total inability to keep this data safe and not loose it. I mean in the last 18 months they have lost so much data, including the details of every person in the UK who has children between the ages of 1 and 18!!!!!!!

05-18-2009, 06:28 AM	#24
Gibbo Guru Posts: 776 Karma: 2475053 Join Date: May 2007 Device: Galaxy Tab A (2019) - iPhone 11 - KA1 - Onyx Boox Nova Pro	We've had an ID card for donkey years, I think they were introduced around 1754 when the Queen joined the girl guides

05-18-2009, 06:42 AM	#25
Anggun Enthusiast Posts: 42 Karma: 657 Join Date: Sep 2008 Device: Sony PRS-505	- Do you have to carry an identity document in your country No - If so is it your country of birth. Yes While it isn't compulsory to bring my Identity Card with me, I do. You need it for official reasons, banks and it is also used as a library card here. And I'm used to carrying it around. You never know when you needed it.. e.g. I accidentally got on a wrong bus once which went straight to the border and I had to exit at the immigration checkpoint... I had to tell the officer that I board the wrong bus (apparently, I wasn't the only one that day) and show proof that I did not enter this country illegally.

05-18-2009, 07:00 AM	#26
tirsales MIA ... but returning som Posts: 1,600 Karma: 511342 Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Germany Device: PRS-505 and Really not owning a PRS-700	I dont see the big problem with ID cards ... Whether my data is available via the driving license, the social security number of my passport-number - it is available. (I feel different about saving additional information like e.g. fingerprints with the ID).