really confused with choosing an eink device with these 3 functions

taylor3456 · 07-07-2011, 06:01 AM

hallo, everyone, I am new here. After some search, I am still confused with my choice.

"iPad+iAnnotate+Dropbox+boxwave stylus" is a good choice. EEE Note is also a good consideration. But I still need a Eink device which can do a limited and similar job.

another 4 Points are important:
1, when pointing at a word, the translated meaning should be conveniently displayed. Of course I know that it is not possible in a scanned PDF files, but I hope that the dictionary function can be easily used and I can easily go back to the reading screen. it is better to be supported in different formats, e.g. epub, pdf...
2, different dictionaries should be added easily,like the stardict option. e.g. when I read a english book, I need a english dictionary; when I read a german book, I will need a german dictionary; for chinese books, a chinese dictionary
3, annotation is important. Highlighting, bookmark, taking notes on the blank edge are important.it is better to be supported in different formats, e.g. epub, pdf...
4, annotation can be searched, viewed in a convenient way, exported to a PC (e.g. the annotations on a pdf file can be also viewed on a PC). At this point, I know that nook are not as good as kindle3.

Price is not an issue, and you can give me suggestions without considering that. The way of taking notes with stylus is also not important, I think, but it is perhaps better on a resistive display, on a digitizer display or with buttons.

Besides the epub formats, I am a heavy PDF user. I hope the PDF files can be directly loaded.

As far as I know, Kindle3, Sony prs 950, iRex 800/1000, pocket pro and entourage pocket edge(PE) are probably matched. But I do not find the detailed differences regarding to the above 4 points. I hope to get some advices here. Perhaps other models you know?

English is not my mother tongue. I hope you can understand what I mean.

Thanks for your reading and inputs!

polly · 07-07-2011, 08:10 AM

The Sonys have a really neat dictionary feature. It comes with ten preloaded that you choose and change through options. Tap on a word and its definition pops up in a little window at the bottom of the page. Close the window by tapping the X in the corner or expand the window by tapping inside it. That brings up the dictionary page so that you can see the words around it. Close the page and you're right back where you were in your book.

There are just a few problems in your quest. The ten dictionaries are US English, British English, and two translation dictionaries each for German, Italian, Dutch, French, and Spanish. I don't believe that you can load a Chinese dictionary that would work this way. The other slight problem is that sometimes the dictionary has problems with words with endings like ing or ed. Unfortunately, it won't bring up the word in the dictionary closest to the word that you tap.

PDFs can be directly loaded, but they often have diagrams and page headers that don't flow well in to a book. The larger readers, like the Kindle DX and Sony 950 will do best at displaying them but are still not perfect. Getting books in ePub format is a much better option.

thebestjeter · 07-07-2011, 11:33 AM

Forget the Sony 650 if you want to use different dictionaries, or add new one to your device. The Sony 650 doesn't support that. The Kindle does and there are a lot of dictionaries in the Web that you can add for free. Exporting annotattion with the K3 is better too that in the Sony 650. The Kindle saves the anotattion in a editable format TXT; Sony does that in a XML document.

To use the features of dictionary, anottation, and search in scanned PDF files in the Kindle, take those PDF, open them with Abbey Fine OCR and ckeck the option "Covert in a PDF with search option" o something like that (I have the program in Spanish, so I'm just guessing).

Happy buying.

anjirlly · 07-07-2011, 06:24 PM

Check the Onyx Boox forum for a discussion of new models vs. Pocketbook 903. Look for Dulin Book's post that explains the various note taking and annotation options.

Forum: More E-Book Readers/Onyx Boox
Thread: Onyx Boox M90 available
Post: #373

taylor3456 · 07-08-2011, 12:09 AM

thank you for your tip!

Quote:

Originally Posted by thebestjeter

To use the features of dictionary, .

the translation will pop up during the reading like in Sony?
kindle have no pen. So is it convenient to navigate with buttons to the word of which I wanna know the meaning?

taylor3456 · 07-08-2011, 12:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by polly

PDFs can be directly loaded, but they often have diagrams and page headers that don't flow well in to a book. The larger readers, like the Kindle DX and Sony 950 will do best at displaying them but are still not perfect. Getting books in ePub format is a much better option.

when I make underlines or scratches in a pdf file, can it be saved in the pdf file and displayed the same way in a PC?

taylor3456 · 07-08-2011, 12:56 AM

thank you for your advice and I searched an hour

Quote:

Originally Posted by anjirlly

Check the Onyx Boox forum for a discussion of new models vs. Pocketbook 903. Look for Dulin Book's post that explains the various note taking and annotation options.

I find only this for describing the ability of m90 and I do not understand what it means. "Actually handwrite on the page. It doesnt move off the device that way but on device you can. There are ways to make notes that can go off the device separately." in the thread of "PDF annotations on Pocketbook 903".

Does m90 save the annotation in pdf and display them in a pc?

I would also like to know how it is in a pocketbook 903?

thebestjeter · 07-08-2011, 01:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by taylor3456

thank you for your tip!

the translation will pop up during the reading like in Sony?
kindle have no pen. So is it convenient to navigate with buttons to the word of which I wanna know the meaning?

Yes, the translation pop up during the reading. I have been a kindle user for a over a year and I don't find to get to the word what I want to know the meaning take me too much time at all. Even, now I have a DXG which has larger screen, besides my K3, and I find to navigate to the unknown words is easy and fast with the joystick. It is just matter of practice.

taylor3456 · 07-08-2011, 09:53 PM

another important question: when I make underlines,scratches or take notes on the blank edge in a PDF-file, can it be saved (embedded) in the pdf file and displayed the same way in PC(windows system)?

Dulin's Books · 07-09-2011, 12:35 AM

no, this is impossible in linux based readers.(currently)

taylor3456 · 07-09-2011, 07:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dulin's Books

no, this is impossible in linux based readers.(currently)

Thank you for your reply. Do you or some else know an Eink Device (perhaps not a linux-based device), which support this kind feature?

taylor3456 · 07-13-2011, 02:05 AM

Is there an Eink Device (perhaps not a linux-based device), which support this kind of feature(scratches or notes can be saved and embedded in a pdf file and can be displayed with a PC)?

07-07-2011, 06:01 AM	#1
taylor3456 Member Posts: 21 Karma: 10 Join Date: Jul 2011 Device: hanvon n800	really confused with choosing an eink device with these 3 functions hallo, everyone, I am new here. After some search, I am still confused with my choice. "iPad+iAnnotate+Dropbox+boxwave stylus" is a good choice. EEE Note is also a good consideration. But I still need a Eink device which can do a limited and similar job. another 4 Points are important: 1, when pointing at a word, the translated meaning should be conveniently displayed. Of course I know that it is not possible in a scanned PDF files, but I hope that the dictionary function can be easily used and I can easily go back to the reading screen. it is better to be supported in different formats, e.g. epub, pdf... 2, different dictionaries should be added easily,like the stardict option. e.g. when I read a english book, I need a english dictionary; when I read a german book, I will need a german dictionary; for chinese books, a chinese dictionary 3, annotation is important. Highlighting, bookmark, taking notes on the blank edge are important.it is better to be supported in different formats, e.g. epub, pdf... 4, annotation can be searched, viewed in a convenient way, exported to a PC (e.g. the annotations on a pdf file can be also viewed on a PC). At this point, I know that nook are not as good as kindle3. Price is not an issue, and you can give me suggestions without considering that. The way of taking notes with stylus is also not important, I think, but it is perhaps better on a resistive display, on a digitizer display or with buttons. Besides the epub formats, I am a heavy PDF user. I hope the PDF files can be directly loaded. As far as I know, Kindle3, Sony prs 950, iRex 800/1000, pocket pro and entourage pocket edge(PE) are probably matched. But I do not find the detailed differences regarding to the above 4 points. I hope to get some advices here. Perhaps other models you know? English is not my mother tongue. I hope you can understand what I mean. Thanks for your reading and inputs!

07-07-2011, 06:24 PM	#4
anjirlly Groupie Posts: 155 Karma: 58410 Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: SE Michigan Device: Kindle on Android phone; PB360; Sony 950	Check the Onyx Boox forum for a discussion of new models vs. Pocketbook 903. Look for Dulin Book's post that explains the various note taking and annotation options. Forum: More E-Book Readers/Onyx Boox Thread: Onyx Boox M90 available Post: #373 Last edited by anjirlly; 07-08-2011 at 06:55 PM. Reason: more precise location

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07-07-2011, 08:10 AM	#2
polly Evangelist Posts: 454 Karma: 270240 Join Date: Aug 2009 Device: Sony PRS 650, PocketBook 360, Astak PocketPro (RIP), Tungsten T3	The Sonys have a really neat dictionary feature. It comes with ten preloaded that you choose and change through options. Tap on a word and its definition pops up in a little window at the bottom of the page. Close the window by tapping the X in the corner or expand the window by tapping inside it. That brings up the dictionary page so that you can see the words around it. Close the page and you're right back where you were in your book. There are just a few problems in your quest. The ten dictionaries are US English, British English, and two translation dictionaries each for German, Italian, Dutch, French, and Spanish. I don't believe that you can load a Chinese dictionary that would work this way. The other slight problem is that sometimes the dictionary has problems with words with endings like ing or ed. Unfortunately, it won't bring up the word in the dictionary closest to the word that you tap. PDFs can be directly loaded, but they often have diagrams and page headers that don't flow well in to a book. The larger readers, like the Kindle DX and Sony 950 will do best at displaying them but are still not perfect. Getting books in ePub format is a much better option.

07-07-2011, 11:33 AM	#3
thebestjeter Addict Posts: 208 Karma: 757546 Join Date: Sep 2010 Device: Kindle 3 Wifi and Kindle DX Graphite	Forget the Sony 650 if you want to use different dictionaries, or add new one to your device. The Sony 650 doesn't support that. The Kindle does and there are a lot of dictionaries in the Web that you can add for free. Exporting annotattion with the K3 is better too that in the Sony 650. The Kindle saves the anotattion in a editable format TXT; Sony does that in a XML document. To use the features of dictionary, anottation, and search in scanned PDF files in the Kindle, take those PDF, open them with Abbey Fine OCR and ckeck the option "Covert in a PDF with search option" o something like that (I have the program in Spanish, so I'm just guessing). Happy buying. Last edited by thebestjeter; 07-07-2011 at 11:36 AM.

07-08-2011, 09:53 PM	#9
taylor3456 Member Posts: 21 Karma: 10 Join Date: Jul 2011 Device: hanvon n800	another important question: when I make underlines,scratches or take notes on the blank edge in a PDF-file, can it be saved (embedded) in the pdf file and displayed the same way in PC(windows system)?

07-09-2011, 12:35 AM	#10
Dulin's Books Wizard Posts: 2,806 Karma: 13500000 Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Portland, OR Device: Boox PB360 etc etc etc	no, this is impossible in linux based readers.(currently)

07-13-2011, 02:05 AM	#12
taylor3456 Member Posts: 21 Karma: 10 Join Date: Jul 2011 Device: hanvon n800	Is there an Eink Device (perhaps not a linux-based device), which support this kind of feature(scratches or notes can be saved and embedded in a pdf file and can be displayed with a PC)?

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