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If readers get more stories in a world they enjoy, all the better. As a writer, not sure if I would go for the terms, though. Since I've never been inspired to write fan-fic—at least since I was 6 or 7 and typed up a really awesome (to a child's mind) team-up of Spider-Man and the Avengers. Of course, I'm dating myself as 30+ years later Spider-Man is an Avenger. <sigh> |
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And yet I bet you never got a dime of royalties from Marvel. Grr! That make Hulk mad!
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RE this, the OTW (Organization for Transformative Works) tried to explain amazon's terms.
here's the link if you're interested http://transformativeworks.org/news/...worlds-program here's the beginning of the article Quote:
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Why do you think that is difficult? To me it seems like creating a world is pretty easy.
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Kindle Worlds sounds like another of Amazon Publishing's ingenious inroads to collecting revenues on IP f/k/a publishers' profits: "We will also give the World Licensor a license to use your new elements and incorporate them into other works without further compensation to you." (Why should Amazon own an author's original character?)
"This isn't Amazon figuring out how to make money off fan fiction; this is Amazon entering into a partnership with media properties to crowdsource officially licensed novelizations." -- Malinda Lo, "Amazon Tries to Monetize Fan Fiction" In the more selfish sense, what I mind as a consumer is the idea of massive numbers of fanfic books appearing in every bookstore-wide search -- searches which, in my experience, tend to be weighed down with irrelevant results already. I'd be far more open to the idea if fanfic were only included in searches at the user's prompting. Like the Kindles I've used, the Amazon Store isn't the best at displaying specific lists of the kinds of books I want -- mostly because it never stops pitching the many it wants me to buy as opposed to the few I might actually want to own. Last edited by Prestidigitweeze; 05-30-2013 at 05:18 AM. |
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05-30-2013, 09:35 AM | #41 | |
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Series shows have writer's bibles to inform new writers about those elements, and they have permanent producers and a show-runner who has final say about what gets produced. Brannon Braga, in latter-day Star Trek's case particularly, has expressed utter contempt for in-universe continuity and consistency, and was, very often, The Man who esbalished the character in the first place, so you can be sure that all those "Out of Character" moments you face-palmed over would have occurred even if he was the one and only writer on the show. Back on to the original off topic tangent, however: I stand by my statement. While there is a rare, truly brilliant piece of prose about absolutely nothing and out of all context, the first hurdle in most fiction is creating something that a reader cares about. In the case of fan fiction, by definition, you are starting with something that has garnered fans. It's already captured imaginations, it's already proven to be a muse for people who want to create in that world. That's a huge head start no matter how you slice it. There is no objective or generalized difference in difficultly between writing a good in-character scene for a character you established 10 chapters ago, or one someone else created 100 episodes ago. A fan would know either character equally well. In fact she probably knows the 100 episode character better. Because she probably hasn't thought up all the details of the new character yet, and thinking up new, lasting ideas is hard. That's why authors do drafts and rewrites. For the 100 episode character, the fan author has already latched on to the established traits that resonate with her and are inspiring her to write about it. So no, I see no argument for fan fiction being harder. What's the advice given to writers having a hard time getting started? "Write about what you know." Why? Because it's easier to plumb what's already in your head than to come up with something totally new from scratch. Last edited by ApK; 05-30-2013 at 09:48 AM. |
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And fan writers too write drafts and rewrites, and have beta readers who offer advice on the grammar, style, consistency and everything else they feel would help the fan writer remain in character as much as possible. I don't see how those writers and their support structure (let's add fanartists there as well, for those writers who include covers with their work) are different from tie-in writers. (Which reminds me, I have a Big Bang notice to send out soon.)
So, let's just say that fan fiction is different, done for a different purpose and audience, and just as valid as other types of writing. Can we agree on that? |
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If by "just as valid" you mean "should be allowed to publish and/or profit from someone else's IP" then, no. In that case the difference between fanfic and tie-in writers is clear...the latter has permission, the former doesn't. If by "just as valid" you mean every bit as potentially important, creative, expressive, significant, enjoyable, valuable, literary, challenging...,"then sure. |
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Ideally, this is what we would have: 1. original work, with an author who retains all the rights due to them; 2. authorized derivatives in any/all/some media, for which permission would be obtained/royalties paid to the author; 3. non-profit transformative works clearly marked and credited as such, free of C&D letters and threats of lawsuits. If at any point the original author decides they do not want transformative works to be written about their characters/world, they should make their opinion known and that opinion should be respected. (In fanfiction circles, when a fan author develops an Alternative Universe - say, a show set in the Wild West is reimagined as happening in modern day law enforcement - they may declare it a Closed universe, with only them writing in it until all the details are fleshed out, after which it's declared an Open universe.) |
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Also, MobileRead has had a policy banning uploads of fanfic ebboks to the library. Is that policy still in effect? |
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