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I'm not; I have no idea. I accept that they could have been 'found' or newly made. I did initially assume that they were starting manufacture again, but I agree it might not be the case. It's just that without any evidence I'm not 'sure'. Quote:
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Also, since they have, apparently, been available since the beginning of they year, don't you think there might be the tiniest chance that someone would have reported on the matter if the batteries were significantly sub-standard? Quote:
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The first thing I will do when I get mine will be to do a careful battery test. I shall report back in due course. Anecdotal: I bought my ONE the moment they became available, around four years ago. It's been used for an average of two hours a day ever since. At 10% lighting, WiFi off, it will go for 25-30 hours before reaching 30% indicated. Last edited by Muttly; 07-30-2020 at 02:03 PM. |
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1) it’s a limited number of markets which cuts potential buyers down. 2) the Aura One didn’t sell well enough in those markets to have depleted the stock. So there’s a limited demand. 3) Kobo isn’t advertising them, they’re on the sites for the markets they’re in but nothing is driving traffic to the product page. Which cuts down on buyers. I’d note that the fact that they’ve been available since the start of this year and I think this is the first post about that being the case would further show a lack of buyers from the forum. 4) on top of all that this forum is a fairly small representation of the wider ereader market. We also tend toward being earlier adopters of new devices. Meaning it’s less likely that those of us who want an Aura One would have waited this long past when it was introduced to get one. Note I said less likely not entirely impossible. Think of a Venn diagram of all those factors. Someone would have to thread through all of them and even then the Aura one they purchased would have to not be a back up device if their current device broke, nor could it be a secondary device for split reading. Since both those would detract from noticing the battery had issues. |
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You are taking your personal speculation that there are only a very small number of items available as a proven fact and then making a deduction from that unproven speculation. Sorry to be blunt but that really is ridiculous. Quote:
It could just as easily be the case that people have bought them, checked them, and are completely happy with them, and hence have no need to report anything here. It's a well known fact that people are many, many, times more likely to review/post about something that does not meet their expectations than something that does. Quote:
At least if they have any sense they will. I'm not saying it's impossible, but it seems to me unlikely in the extreme that Kobo would knowingly sell what are effectively faulty products, and equally unlikely that there would be no internet trace if they were. Anyway, all this pessimistic speculation is pretty pointless to me as I will have concrete evidence, one way or the other, fairly soon. |
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Further that no one from the forum has posted about this availability does indicate a lack of interest. Again this is basic logic that even a simpleton should be able to follow. The fewer people here interested in a KA1 the less likely anyone posts about them being available, and the less likely anyone here is to buy one (lack of interest + lack of awareness = less sales). Quote:
If it’s a back up device it might not even leave the box. Why set something up if it’s only going to be used if your primary device breaks. You decrease the resale value should you choose to sell it, and increase the odds of breaking it. Further the lack of interest versus the current line of Kobo devices would bring some serious doubt to the “obviously highly valued” comment. Look at how few people here have even responded that they’d want to get one, and keep in mind this forum is a disproportionate representation of the market, the forum leans toward specific devices, the general market buys what is advertised to them. But again this is basic marketing knowledge that anyone should have. Quote:
There’s plenty of evidence that lithium ion batteries degrade over time if not stored properly. It’s questionable if the places these were stored were kept at ideal or even good temperatures. Especially since it’s cheaper to not temperature control a room when/if nothing stored there is going to complain or cause immediate issues, such as a server crashing, or something melting and making a mess. But I’m sure we can count on corporations to spend money needlessly. |
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Unfortunately, you are using that simple logic on imagined data which makes any conclusion completely invalid. Quote:
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"It could just as easily be the case that people have bought them, checked them, and are completely happy with them, and hence have no need to report anything here. It's a well known fact that people are many, many, times more likely to review/post about something that does not meet their expectations than something that does." That has nothing to do with advertising. It was pointing out that people buying the devices and their working correctly was just as good an explanation for no posts about battery faults as your rather convoluted one. Quote:
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First you say that there are no reports of problems because people are keeping them in their box. Then you say that they don't value them. So someone buys something just to keep in a box in case their current instance fails, and they don't value it. You really are getting desperate. Quote:
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Unless they really do think that they are all going to be bought by people who are going to leave them in a box for a year and are too animal stupid to test them first. But really, apart from all this daft speculation (I freely admit I have no idea exactly what's going on, so I am merely countering speculation with possible alternative cases), why do you think that Kobo would knowingly sell a load of dodgy gear? Do they have form for such unethical practices? Or are you assuming that you and the other poster who made a long case for the faulty battery scenario know more than Kobo's specialist engineers? |
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I'll make a simple statement: Based on my observation of Kobo's behaviour, they will not start manufacturing any of their discontinued devices. If they decided to revive a product line, there would be changes in it (at the least the storage). And there would be a name change (at the least "Edition 2"). But, I am completely sure there will not be a Aura ONE like device any time soon. Buttons are the current fashion. When they go out of fashion, then something closer to the Aura ONE might appear. But, the screen size and lack of buttons will probably be the only similarity - different screen, storage, CPU, case, power button position. Quote:
And Kobo's claim for the battery life of these devices is "weeks". Not some particular number of days or hours. To the marketing person involved in selling these again. if they last 30 minutes on fourteen days, that reaches the requirement. Quote:
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And this statement prove McGlitch's point. If these devices have been on sale for six months, they can't be very popular or someone would have turned up before now to mention them. And I don't mean them reporting the device is crap, I mean someone coming here and saying "I bought a new Aura ONE". If anyone had made a comment remotely like that, we would have questioned it. Quote:
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Three hours does indeed indicate a duff battery. |
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[/quote] The above reply is in response to my saying: "It could just as easily be the case that people have bought them, checked them, and are completely happy with them, and hence have no need to report anything here. It's a well known fact that people are many, many, times more likely to review/post about something that does not meet their expectations than something that does." That has nothing to do with advertising. It was pointing out that people buying the devices and their working correctly was just as good an explanation for no posts about battery faults as your rather convoluted one. [/quote] Actually no, it's in response to this (my initial response in bold your reply in italic: Quote:
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Not finding examples of an niche product (ereaders) for a niche discontinued product (the previous premium device from kobo) in niche groups (online forums), gosh I can not possibly imagine how this issue might have slipped past the, as you seem to see it, all mighty and all knowing internets! Quote:
Kobo finds KA1s in some storeroom in these markets Kobo tests a few and they pass Kobo sells the remainder, however a selection of these have faced battery degradation, a selection possibly (and probably) greater than normal because of time elapsed and storage conditions Some nutter finds Kobo is selling KA1s and thinks they have decided to manufacture new ones and that each and every device will be tested to arrive perfect to his door. This same daft nutter who has a history of technical issues with his own original KA1 which he was equally daft about getting resolved. Quote:
The people who buy them do value them, and thus wish to protect them and ensure they do not get broken. The people who do not buy them (and in the KA1s case this will be a greater number comparatively in the market) do not value them and will not seek to buy them. Both these groups can co-exist very easily. And that's not even getting into the granularity within those groups. Quote:
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Is every single KA1 found in these batches going to be a dud, or have lesser battery life? Probably not, but there certainly exists enough data to say that there's a greater chance of it. These aren't fresh off the assembly line devices, they've been sitting somewhere for quite some time. I can only hope your device is not plagued with issues so you return to your regular posting habits here. Last edited by MGlitch; 07-31-2020 at 02:41 PM. |
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I'll just deal with this first chunk as it demonstrates that you are really stumbling around in the dark with no real idea of what you are talking about. Quote:
This is not something that is selling simply in bricks and mortar establishments, where there is competition for shelf space. It's available on the 'net where it can stay in the on-line shops as long as there is stock available. There is no need to remainder anything. IF this stock comes from third party bricks and mortar companies who managed to lose it for a while that would be their inability to correctly order what they could sell. Quote:
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BTW, just for future reference, a negative gain is called a 'loss'. Just saying. I really can't waste any more time on this post as you have clearly demonstrated above that you have a very poor grasp of how businesses really operate. Your post is littered with evidence free speculations, and I do not need to provide a counter to any of it, because I'm not making any counter claim, simply pointing out that you are making assumptions without any evidence. |
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I’m sure we’ll all miss you calling anyone who disagrees with you daft and absurd since that’s basically all your comments ever seem to amount to.
You’ve been unable to back up any of your claims with anything approaching an understanding of even basic business or manufacturing sense. I’d bother educating you but you’d just dismiss it all as daft or absurd. Enjoy your KA1. And again I hope the battery is good so you can return to your normal posting pattern here. I’d also point out missing a single close quote is hardly indicative of not understanding or being able to use the quote system. Nor does that single broken quote have an significant impact on ones ability to understand the post. Unless that one is a daft nutter who can’t back his own claims up and can only resort to mockery to try and be right. Last edited by MGlitch; 07-31-2020 at 02:47 PM. |
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And, in post #25, I carefully explained where you are wrong and why. I note that you could not defend your waffle, there, limiting post #26 to ad hominems and excuses about your inability to check your posts to ensure that you've used the fairly simple quoting system properly. Quote:
This is your attempt at 'education': ------------------------------------------ So here since you're daft and need things spelled out in very plain text [ad hominem attack] Kobo finds KA1s in some storeroom in these markets [Speculation and a rather weird concept of space. 'Some storeroom in these markets? Must be a hell of big storeroom] Kobo tests a few and they pass [Pure speculation] Kobo sells the remainder, however a selection of these have faced battery degradation, a selection possibly (and probably) greater than normal because of time elapsed and storage conditions [Not only have you just said that Kobo sell the ones that didn't pass, again, pure speculation.] Some nutter finds Kobo is selling KA1s and thinks they have decided to manufacture new ones and that each and every device will be tested to arrive perfect to his door. [Ad hominem and more speculation] ------------------------------------------ So, your attempt at 'spelling things out in plain text' involves a series of speculations, ad hominem attacks, a suggestion that a storeroom is 'in' a set of markets covering thousands of square miles, and a statement that Kobo are selling the stock that failed the testing. Of course, you'll say that these are just trivial mistakes, but the fact that, having said you'll educate someone in plain text, you can't write five lines without two glaring errors indicates that you thought processes are not the most logical and well disciplined. The fact that you similarly couldn't write five lines without resorting to two ad hominem attacks is also significant. Quote:
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Do you mean the one where I state companies like selling out of product they aren't producing anymore and you try and counter that with some rubbish about space only applying to brick and mortar stores? Because that idiocy is a total fallacy, space costs money regardless of where it is and how it's being used. Yes a warehouse costs less than running a brick and mortar store, for obvious reasons, stock must compete much more heavily for space. However stock sitting in a store room is worse for the company as it's not even got the potential to sell when they aren't offering it anywhere. And before you blather on about how it's available now, it previously was not and had not been for some time. Quote:
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I've provided reasoning for my statements, you may disagree with said reasoning but it's there. Unlike you, who seems to think a company is going to start producing new units of an old device and not advertise it, nor sell it in several large markets. You also think companies are totally ok with stock sitting unused in warehouses. |
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For the record I also agree that if they have been stored at a very high temperature they will have lost a lot of capacity. That indeed, could happen. What I object to is your (and mglich's - who seems to be singing from exactly the same hymn sheet as yourself), continually posting as if this was likely (mglich seems to post as if it was a virtual certainty, but he's extremely hard to take seriously) to have happened. What do the pair of you imagine? That each of the warehouses in each of the territories where the Kobo is for sale has a very hot spot, and all the missing cases end up there? |
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