Firmware Update K2i 2.5.3 no "justified" text ?!

Balerion · 06-23-2010, 09:45 AM

I know that others are probably talking about this as a part of other threads, but I want to get a list together of number of people that use this forum, who also have 2.5.3 and are also finding it very annoying that the text is not justified on the screen when reading a book on their kindle... I feel like I'm reading a giant poem now rather than a book...

I'm rolling back my kindle to 2.5.2 and not turning on the wireless until they fix the problem.

So, yeah... anyone else finding the text alignment annoying now that they have 2.5.3 ?

abookreader · 06-23-2010, 09:58 AM

Are you saying it's now left justified with a ragged right edge?

Because if that's the case it would actually push me toward allowing my Kindle to update. I hate full justification.

Balerion · 06-23-2010, 10:16 AM

yep, left justified only... the reason why its annoying is that there
are few enough words on the line of text
as it is, now without the full justification, it reads like
a poem because you can see that the first word(s)
on the next line could've fit on the line before
and it ends up reading like this reply does

jdomingos76 · 06-23-2010, 10:19 AM

I also have that problem, some lines don't justify fully. The issue only happens in random lines, about one or two per page. Kindle 2 Int. 2.5.3.

Balerion · 06-23-2010, 10:23 AM

hang on... hang on... hang on... hang on... my really bad !!! I just checked some other books... its just the book that I happened to start reading today when my kindle updated... that's freakin weird... it must be in the xml coding from when it was converted or some such other reason coz there's definitely words that could fit on the previous lines, but are placed on the next lines, and changing the font size doesn't change a thing when I revert back to the original text size.... gonna have to recalibrate the book me thinks !!!

Zorz · 06-24-2010, 04:58 AM

what is justification?

Balerion · 06-24-2010, 11:38 AM

Justification is when the text on each line is spread out so that it reaches the extremities of both the left and right margins. It is done by modifying the size of the spaces between words so that some are larger than others... annoying to some people, but to most people it helps with the flow of reading.

bwaldron · 06-24-2010, 02:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Balerion

I know that others are probably talking about this as a part of other threads, but I want to get a list together of number of people that use this forum, who also have 2.5.3 and are also finding it very annoying that the text is not justified on the screen when reading a book on their kindle... I feel like I'm reading a giant poem now rather than a book...

Actually, I have found the Kindle 2's forcing full-justification annoying; at least the original Kindle had a hidden means to change it.

Since I reformat all my books to use left-justification, I wouldn't see any such change in 2.5.3.

I like fully-justified text for printed material, but given my preferred font size/line length on the Kindle (and the lack of hyphenation), I prefer the ragged margins to the rivers of white space that I often see in justified text.

Really, though, this should be something that the user can change to suit their own preference. (Not to mention that the Kindle should support hyphenation.)

Kumabjorn · 07-13-2010, 05:25 AM

I am reading a book that was justified, then I had the firmware update and now the same book is left justified. In some threads I've noticed a mention of Font List and that pressing J brings up a menu on justification. But Font List is perhaps not part of Kindle 2?

susan_cassidy · 07-13-2010, 02:22 PM

The justification option from the font menu is only on the K1, not the K2. I think they went backwards when they took away that option. It is so easy to allow, I can't imagine why they took it away.

Books are supposed to NOT specify justification, so that the device/software can determine it, but sometimes a book does specify left justification, which I dislike. It then overrides the user's preference, or the software default, as on Kindle.

vermontcathy · 07-14-2010, 10:16 AM

Here's what has happened with 2.5.3. Prior to 2.3, justification was "full justify within reason" - it would try to justify, but if large words would cause only a few words on a line, it would NOT add a ridiculous amount of space between words to try and get it lined up on the right margin. This would only happen (on font size 3) about once every two pages - in other words, fairly rare. All other lines were full justified. With update 2.3, text was full justified at all costs. If there were some long words, you might get a line with only a few words and there would be TONS of space between them. Worst case scenario would be two words on a line, one on the left margin and one on the right (this happened in the user manual on the vary last page, right before a web address). I found these crazy spaces distracting. So I was very happy with update 2.5.3 that it went back to the way it had been prior to 2.3. MOST lines are fully justified, but there is a limit to how much space it will put between words. So once in a while you get a line that doesn't line up on the right side. I find this much less distracting than . . . . when . . . . there . . . . were . . . . huge . . . . spaces . . . . between . . . . words.

bwaldron · 07-14-2010, 01:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vermontcathy

So I was very happy with update 2.5.3 that it went back to the way it had been prior to 2.3. MOST lines are fully justified, but there is a limit to how much space it will put between words.

I was also glad to see that they reverted in 2.5. Fully-justified at all costs can look awful on the Kindle, especially given its lack of support for hyphenation.

06-23-2010, 09:45 AM	#1
Balerion Connoisseur Posts: 69 Karma: 14 Join Date: Dec 2009 Device: K2i K3w	K2i 2.5.3 no "justified" text ?! I know that others are probably talking about this as a part of other threads, but I want to get a list together of number of people that use this forum, who also have 2.5.3 and are also finding it very annoying that the text is not justified on the screen when reading a book on their kindle... I feel like I'm reading a giant poem now rather than a book... I'm rolling back my kindle to 2.5.2 and not turning on the wireless until they fix the problem. So, yeah... anyone else finding the text alignment annoying now that they have 2.5.3 ?

06-23-2010, 10:23 AM	#5
Balerion Connoisseur Posts: 69 Karma: 14 Join Date: Dec 2009 Device: K2i K3w	hang on... hang on... hang on... hang on... my really bad !!! I just checked some other books... its just the book that I happened to start reading today when my kindle updated... that's freakin weird... it must be in the xml coding from when it was converted or some such other reason coz there's definitely words that could fit on the previous lines, but are placed on the next lines, and changing the font size doesn't change a thing when I revert back to the original text size.... gonna have to recalibrate the book me thinks !!! Last edited by Balerion; 06-23-2010 at 10:25 AM.

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06-23-2010, 09:58 AM	#2
abookreader Wizard Posts: 1,516 Karma: 2567610 Join Date: Oct 2009 Device: Kindles - Keyboard, Fire, 2-US, iPhone, iPAD	Are you saying it's now left justified with a ragged right edge? Because if that's the case it would actually push me toward allowing my Kindle to update. I hate full justification.

06-23-2010, 10:16 AM	#3
Balerion Connoisseur Posts: 69 Karma: 14 Join Date: Dec 2009 Device: K2i K3w	yep, left justified only... the reason why its annoying is that there are few enough words on the line of text as it is, now without the full justification, it reads like a poem because you can see that the first word(s) on the next line could've fit on the line before and it ends up reading like this reply does

06-23-2010, 10:19 AM	#4
jdomingos76 Enthusiast Posts: 28 Karma: 12 Join Date: Jun 2010 Device: Kindle 2 and 3 Int	I also have that problem, some lines don't justify fully. The issue only happens in random lines, about one or two per page. Kindle 2 Int. 2.5.3.

06-24-2010, 04:58 AM	#6
Zorz Zealot Posts: 134 Karma: 36 Join Date: Nov 2009 Device: Kindle 2i	what is justification?

06-24-2010, 11:38 AM	#7
Balerion Connoisseur Posts: 69 Karma: 14 Join Date: Dec 2009 Device: K2i K3w	Justification is when the text on each line is spread out so that it reaches the extremities of both the left and right margins. It is done by modifying the size of the spaces between words so that some are larger than others... annoying to some people, but to most people it helps with the flow of reading.

07-13-2010, 05:25 AM	#9
Kumabjorn Basculocolpic Posts: 4,356 Karma: 20181319 Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Sweden Device: Kindle 3 WiFi, Kindle 4SO, Kindle for Android, Sony PRS-350 and PRS-T1	I am reading a book that was justified, then I had the firmware update and now the same book is left justified. In some threads I've noticed a mention of Font List and that pressing J brings up a menu on justification. But Font List is perhaps not part of Kindle 2?

07-13-2010, 02:22 PM	#10
susan_cassidy Wizard Posts: 2,251 Karma: 3720310 Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: USA Device: Kindle, iPad (not used much for reading)	The justification option from the font menu is only on the K1, not the K2. I think they went backwards when they took away that option. It is so easy to allow, I can't imagine why they took it away. Books are supposed to NOT specify justification, so that the device/software can determine it, but sometimes a book does specify left justification, which I dislike. It then overrides the user's preference, or the software default, as on Kindle.

07-14-2010, 10:16 AM	#11
vermontcathy Connoisseur Posts: 98 Karma: 10000 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: vermont Device: Kindle 11, PW5, Oasis	Here's what has happened with 2.5.3. Prior to 2.3, justification was "full justify within reason" - it would try to justify, but if large words would cause only a few words on a line, it would NOT add a ridiculous amount of space between words to try and get it lined up on the right margin. This would only happen (on font size 3) about once every two pages - in other words, fairly rare. All other lines were full justified. With update 2.3, text was full justified at all costs. If there were some long words, you might get a line with only a few words and there would be TONS of space between them. Worst case scenario would be two words on a line, one on the left margin and one on the right (this happened in the user manual on the vary last page, right before a web address). I found these crazy spaces distracting. So I was very happy with update 2.5.3 that it went back to the way it had been prior to 2.3. MOST lines are fully justified, but there is a limit to how much space it will put between words. So once in a while you get a line that doesn't line up on the right side. I find this much less distracting than . . . . when . . . . there . . . . were . . . . huge . . . . spaces . . . . between . . . . words.

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