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10-11-2019, 01:40 AM | #47 | |
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10-11-2019, 02:47 AM | #48 | |
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The second fallacy of the argument that infinite copyright is necessary for a writer to want to write a book is that until 1975, copyright in the US was 28 years plus a 28 year renewal. The lack of infinite copyright doesn't seem to have stopped anyone from writing books prior to 1975. When Walt Disney created the cartoon character Mickey Mouse in 1928, he wasn't expecting it to still be generating revenue 100 years later. Expanding the copyright past 28+28 didn't happen until well after he died in 1966. Of course the whole idea of wealth being past down from generation to generation as you describe rarely works out that way mostly because very few works retain value for long. Old authors are replaced with new authors who re-imagine old stories for new audiences. All one has to do is read stories from one's youth and see how dated they feel to understand this. You take the exceptions and act like they are the norm. What's more, you take the current state and project it back. Does anyone think that Tolkien wrote LOTR with the expectation that it would bring in hundreds of millions of dollars long after his death? Unlikely, writing was a sideline to his main academic job. Tolkien was already in his 60's when LOTR was published. His earlier work, the Hobbit was very well received and won awards as a children's book when published in 1937, but he certainly didn't quit his day job because of that. |
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10-11-2019, 10:37 AM | #49 |
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I can see it now.
Mickey Mouse movies fall out of copyright, some bozo tries to make money off of Mickey Mouse merch.... Disney stomps all over them in defense of their Mickey Mouse trademark. |
10-11-2019, 03:36 PM | #50 |
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Throughout history....nobody was making money writing stories....outside of kings and queens sponsoring you.
It is the advent of intellectual property that's given rise to what we have today. And there is FAR more being written than anyone can read. Copyright has been a boon, not a hindrance, to book creation. Copyright enables corporations to invest many millions into moves and other works because they have a defensible moat that keeps folks from just ripping off their works. |
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10-11-2019, 04:42 PM | #51 |
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10-11-2019, 07:21 PM | #52 |
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There doesn’t need to be the other half as there is no scarcity of fiction. Which is why, unlike patents, I see no reason for limits to copyrights.
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10-11-2019, 07:45 PM | #53 | |
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Of course if writers today only wrote for the love of it we'd have a lot fewer writers. Writers such as James Patterson and Danielle Steel would find another line of work. OMIGOD!!! Barry |
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10-11-2019, 08:36 PM | #55 |
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Copyright began as a reciprocal bargain. Maybe we should withhold our half until people remember what they agreed to.
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10-11-2019, 11:18 PM | #56 | |
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I’m advocating that the concept of intellectual property all by itself is a good thing for society. I see a reason for limits on patents. There is only one chemical composition that is Aspirin. If you are the first to discover it, you get an x year monopoly. Somebody else would have eventually discovered it....it’s science/medicine. Not so with fiction. There are endless ways to make up stories. |
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10-12-2019, 05:52 AM | #58 | |
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But also, you simply don't make any sort of case about why. Why should the bargain be changed? What good will society as a whole get out of eternal copyright? We got plenty of stories in the US before the change over from 28+28 to life plus 70. Copyright is how we make sure artists get paid, but why should artists get paid forever and no one else? You make the assumption, That copyright should be treated as physical property without justifying the assumption. There are plenty of facts that show that copyright is not the same as physical property. Why should it be treated as physical property. |
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How about granddad's gold pocket watch? He dies and passes it on to his heirs for them to enjoy. Then 70 years after he dies, you're forced to give it to a museum for the rest of society to enjoy. Does that sound fair? How about confiscating the original paintings of famous painters that are in the hands of private collectors and giving them to museums for the rest of society to enjoy? |
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