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Old 10-28-2010, 04:05 AM   #16
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Smoking, on the other hand, is so annoying (whether accompanied by dementia, or not), one can sympathize with those contemplating strangling a relative or fellow coworker who refused to stop.

Yep, might as well get it over with, eh?
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Old 10-28-2010, 04:57 AM   #17
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I really, REALLY have to wonder why anyone would smoke today, knowing the health effects. I'm not talking about people who started 50 years ago, before they were known, but someone who made the deliberate choice to start smoking in, say, the last 20 years. Why do it? Perhaps some smokers could enlighten us?
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Old 10-28-2010, 05:10 AM   #18
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If I realized just how badly I smelled during the years I was smoking, I would have stopped a lot sooner.
If I realized how much money I was just burning up I would have stopped even quicker than that!

In just the 12 years that I've not smoked, and based on an average price between what I used to spend and what a pack costs today, at the rate of a pack and a half a day I used to smoke, I've saved $46,740.79 by not smoking.
(No, I didn't figure that out myself. I have a little computer app that keeps me informed.)

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Old 10-28-2010, 05:23 AM   #19
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I really, REALLY have to wonder why anyone would smoke today, knowing the health effects. I'm not talking about people who started 50 years ago, before they were known, but someone who made the deliberate choice to start smoking in, say, the last 20 years. Why do it? Perhaps some smokers could enlighten us?

I agree. My daughter has taken it up over the last few years -- smoking those really smelly exotic cigs -- I just don't get it. I presume it is some kind of social thing. It was with me back in the 60's, but not sure the same would apply today... and I quit some 25 yrs ago...
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I really, REALLY have to wonder why anyone would smoke today, knowing the health effects. I'm not talking about people who started 50 years ago, before they were known, but someone who made the deliberate choice to start smoking in, say, the last 20 years. Why do it? Perhaps some smokers could enlighten us?
I guess that we never think the statistics apply to us - that doesn't just go for smokers but for anyone who engages in risky behaviour - is one reason. It's also an addiction, and like many addictions is at least in part in the head as well as in the body. I'm not a terribly heavy smoker but very few of the cigarettes I smoke are pleasurable beyond taking away the craving for a cigarette.

There is also an issue of the nature of the link between, say, smoking and lung cancer. In a classical causal sense - in which if A causes B then A is a necessary and sufficient condition for B - then it is not the case that smoking causes lung cancer. Of course, it a statistical sense of causality it does - but we think we can beat the odds, and some of us will.
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Does anyone enjoy their first few ciggies?
It always seemed to require a certain amount of hard work, and dedication, when I saw my classmates trying to take it up.
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Does anyone enjoy their first few ciggies?
It always seemed to require a certain amount of hard work, and dedication, when I saw my classmates trying to take it up.
Made me sick as a dog. I can still remember it, 53 years later. I smoked two Parliments while hiding in the playground across the street from my house. I sucked them down with a vengeance. Within a minute or two of finishing the second one, I heaved up lunch, then being very happy that my parents were out, went home and laid in bed for the next couple of hours. I imagine I was quite green!

This did NOT stop me from trying again the next day.


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Old 10-28-2010, 06:06 PM   #23
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Old 10-28-2010, 08:09 PM   #24
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Back to the OP. This reminds me of the statistic that passive smoking (breathing the air in a room occupied by someone smolking) doubles the likelihood of health problems.

That made the news about ten years ago. And I remember well reading letters (plural) to the editor from statisticians that the conclusion was bogus. When no causality is shown, statisticians look for rates of 7 to 20 times the norm, not 2.

I suspect the same false use of statistics is at work here.
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I suspect the same false use of statistics is at work here.
"There are three kinds of lies," said Mark Twain. "Lies, damn lies, and statistics!"

84% of all statistics are made up on the spot.

Regardless of the exact numbers, we are pretty damn sure that smoking isn't good for humans. Those of us who were heavy smokers and stopped will testify about the improvements in body conditions and general health.

Although purely anecdotal, I used to contract severe bronchitis EVERY SINGLE YEAR from ages 17-52. I stopped smoking at 52 and haven't had it again since. As an avid scuba diver I can easily measure how long my air supply lasts at a specific depth. This is increased at least 15%+ since I stopped smoking. Perhaps neither of these is a result of not smoking. Perhaps they both are. And if they are...


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Stitchawl, I believe you. But you refer to your own smoking. The news report in question referred to being in the same room when someone else smokes. Different deal.
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Stitchawl, I believe you. But you refer to your own smoking. The news report in question referred to being in the same room when someone else smokes. Different deal.
Who knows -- statistics can be made to prove anything. I do know that my friend Margie died of lung cancer 5 years ago after living for years with a heavy smoker (her husband.) Margie never smoked.
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Stitchawl, I believe you. But you refer to your own smoking. The news report in question referred to being in the same room when someone else smokes. Different deal.
True, but...
The only real difference is the delivery system. The irritant is the same. Can anyone other than a tobacco industry rep imagine that any kind of irritant taken into the lungs will not be harmful? How about being in the same room with asbestos dust? Or perhaps the dust from grinding Mother of Pearl? Or formica? It really doesn't take little tubes to direct the irritant? Only the fact that it gets into the lungs.

The human body has built-in filters; all the hairs in our noses and cillia in our lungs are there just to remove irritants. They aren't tobacco smoke-specific filters. They don't care how irritants get to them. Their job is to either block them or repel them if they can. Unfortunately, they can't do a good enough job when the room is filled with irritants.

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Who knows -- statistics can be made to prove anything. I do know that my friend Margie died of lung cancer 5 years ago after living for years with a heavy smoker (her husband.) Margie never smoked.
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