Picture of New Bookeen Cybook - Page 3

Robert Marquard · 06-18-2007, 01:43 PM

For an eInk device you want to minimize partial screen changes as much as possible. This means a custom UI which is not menu driven. Windows CE does not fit well here because it wants to maintain the Windows look & feel.

delphidb96 · 06-18-2007, 02:02 PM

Wallcraft,

There are versions of the QT and GTK+ libraries for embedded Linux systems. Right off the bat I can think of Nano-GTK and I believe there's a pico-QT - but I might not have that name right - and there's also Nano-X for embedded Linux as well. And the entire NGTK and NX only needs 4MB of RAM to work.

Derek

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Originally Posted by wallcraft

The problem is that Java probably won't already be available on a minimal hardware Linux handheld device, so someone has to implement it first. There may be a similar problem for FBReader, which needs GTK+ or QT libraries.

Robert Marquard · 06-18-2007, 11:56 PM

The iLiad shows what is possible with Java (and their choice of a Java engine is not optimal). Also a 200 MHz or 400 MHz CPU common to most PDAs is actually a powerful computer. Not too long ago i was a proud owner of a 200 MHtz Pentium.

NatCh · 06-19-2007, 12:27 AM

I remember my 4Mhz (8 Mhz with the "turbo" activated) 8086 clone, with 512 kB of RAM and no Hard-Drive -- the processors in these readers seem downright powerful against that memory.

HarryT · 06-19-2007, 03:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Robert Marquard

For an eInk device you want to minimize partial screen changes as much as possible. This means a custom UI which is not menu driven. Windows CE does not fit well here because it wants to maintain the Windows look & feel.

That's not entirely correct. Windows CE is an operating system - the graphical "shell" that presents the UI is just a program that it runs. I agree that the standard Windows GUI shell wouldn't work at all well on eInk, but it could trivially be replaced by some kind of menu system. You see examples of that at ATMs, for example; at least in the UK most ATMs run Windows and they use a custom "shell".

eimert · 06-19-2007, 04:29 AM

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Originally Posted by HarryT

That's right - the old CyBook runs CE. CE 3, to be specific.

Is there any specific reason that an eInk device has to run Linux? It's just a display technology - would it not be possible to make a Windows CE machine with an eInk display?

The combination of the old CyBook's software with the battery life of the Sony Reader would make a pretty awesome combination!

And this would give you an "instant on" and µBook and ... - I like that idea :-)

nekokami · 06-19-2007, 12:56 PM

Since there's now a Mobipocket for Linux (using Java), I'd expect to see it on the Cybook.

I filed a feature request to FBReader to support the LIT format (since the convertlit source is available), but they seemed to feel there would be "problems with re-distribution of the module." I suppose someone could make an add-on for FBReader, but if it doesn't come installed on the unit, most folks aren't likely to figure out how to install it (and I'm not talking about the folks here, obviously). It's interesting that the ProcessText folks are distributing a LIT converter, though. They don't charge for that one, but they do sell their other converters, so they'd be fairly easy to track down if someone wanted to make a stink. I wonder if DMCA protection starts to weaken if not enforced, like brand protection?

yvanleterrible · 06-19-2007, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by nekokami

Since there's now a Mobipocket for Linux (using Java), I'd expect to see it on the Cybook.

I filed a feature request to FBReader to support the LIT format (since the convertlit source is available), but they seemed to feel there would be "problems with re-distribution of the module." I suppose someone could make an add-on for FBReader, but if it doesn't come installed on the unit, most folks aren't likely to figure out how to install it (and I'm not talking about the folks here, obviously). It's interesting that the ProcessText folks are distributing a LIT converter, though. They don't charge for that one, but they do sell their other converters, so they'd be fairly easy to track down if someone wanted to make a stink. I wonder if DMCA protection starts to weaken if not enforced, like brand protection?

LIT is owned by MS. They might have pointed to Process Text that they can't make money of it 'Or Else'!!?!!

JSWolf · 06-19-2007, 03:43 PM

The process text people's LIT converter is buggy. It loses the space in front of italics. I dont want my LIT reader to be like that. I prefer to use CLIT to break the DRM and then Book Designer to help with the conversion.

NatCh · 06-19-2007, 03:51 PM

I don't really see any reason to use a separate converter when BD takes the LIT file directly.

JSWolf · 06-19-2007, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by NatCh

I don't really see any reason to use a separate converter when BD takes the LIT file directly.

But, BD will not take the LIT directly while it is DRM protected. However, since BD uses CLIT 1.8 to read the LIT files, I copied my key for CLIT so now BD will read my DRM protected LIT files. But out of the box, you need DRMless LIT files.

NatCh · 06-19-2007, 05:33 PM

Ah, yeah, I was unclear there -- I meant I didn't see any reason to convert the LIT files to some other format before putting them into BD.

yvanleterrible · 06-22-2007, 11:15 AM

Bookeen has new additions to their site.
Specifications And new pictures.

athlonkmf · 06-22-2007, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by yvanleterrible

Bookeen has new additions to their site.
Specifications And new pictures.

yes, that's what we've been talking about for the past days...

yvanleterrible · 06-22-2007, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by athlonkmf

yes, that's what we've been talking about for the past days...

Newer ones! They were signaled to me by someone there.

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06-18-2007, 01:43 PM	#31
Robert Marquard Delphi-Guy Posts: 285 Karma: 1151 Join Date: May 2006 Location: Berlin, Germany Device: iLiad, Palm T3	For an eInk device you want to minimize partial screen changes as much as possible. This means a custom UI which is not menu driven. Windows CE does not fit well here because it wants to maintain the Windows look & feel.

06-18-2007, 11:56 PM	#33
Robert Marquard Delphi-Guy Posts: 285 Karma: 1151 Join Date: May 2006 Location: Berlin, Germany Device: iLiad, Palm T3	The iLiad shows what is possible with Java (and their choice of a Java engine is not optimal). Also a 200 MHz or 400 MHz CPU common to most PDAs is actually a powerful computer. Not too long ago i was a proud owner of a 200 MHtz Pentium.

06-19-2007, 12:27 AM	#34
NatCh Gizmologist Posts: 11,615 Karma: 929550 Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Republic of Texas Embassy at Jackson, TN Device: Pocketbook Touch HD3	I remember my 4Mhz (8 Mhz with the "turbo" activated) 8086 clone, with 512 kB of RAM and no Hard-Drive -- the processors in these readers seem downright powerful against that memory.

06-19-2007, 12:56 PM	#37
nekokami fruminous edugeek Posts: 6,745 Karma: 551260 Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Northeast US Device: iPad, eBw 1150	Since there's now a Mobipocket for Linux (using Java), I'd expect to see it on the Cybook. I filed a feature request to FBReader to support the LIT format (since the convertlit source is available), but they seemed to feel there would be "problems with re-distribution of the module." I suppose someone could make an add-on for FBReader, but if it doesn't come installed on the unit, most folks aren't likely to figure out how to install it (and I'm not talking about the folks here, obviously). It's interesting that the ProcessText folks are distributing a LIT converter, though. They don't charge for that one, but they do sell their other converters, so they'd be fairly easy to track down if someone wanted to make a stink. I wonder if DMCA protection starts to weaken if not enforced, like brand protection?

06-19-2007, 03:43 PM	#39
JSWolf Resident Curmudgeon Posts: 74,037 Karma: 129333114 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Roslindale, Massachusetts Device: Kobo Libra 2, Kobo Aura H2O, PRS-650, PRS-T1, nook STR, PW3	The process text people's LIT converter is buggy. It loses the space in front of italics. I dont want my LIT reader to be like that. I prefer to use CLIT to break the DRM and then Book Designer to help with the conversion.

06-19-2007, 03:51 PM	#40
NatCh Gizmologist Posts: 11,615 Karma: 929550 Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Republic of Texas Embassy at Jackson, TN Device: Pocketbook Touch HD3	I don't really see any reason to use a separate converter when BD takes the LIT file directly.

06-19-2007, 05:33 PM	#42
NatCh Gizmologist Posts: 11,615 Karma: 929550 Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Republic of Texas Embassy at Jackson, TN Device: Pocketbook Touch HD3	Ah, yeah, I was unclear there -- I meant I didn't see any reason to convert the LIT files to some other format before putting them into BD.

06-22-2007, 11:15 AM	#43
yvanleterrible Reborn Paper User Posts: 8,616 Karma: 15446734 Join Date: May 2006 Location: Que Nada Device: iPhone8, iPad Air	Bookeen has new additions to their site. Specifications And new pictures.

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