[Title] -> [Title Sort] doesn't like leading Quote (34)

phossler · 02-23-2023, 11:01 AM

Small issue but when the title has leading quote, the Title-to-Title Sort button drops it

e.g. "Book Title" becomes Book Title"

Two leading quotes makes the Title Sort correct, but the metadata shows 2 leading quotes

Quoth · 02-23-2023, 12:46 PM

What if you use “Book Title” rather than "Book Title"? The " is a programming quote, historically a typewriter double quote. The “, ”, ‘ and ’ has no significance to programming, but " and ' do.
Don't use the ` beside the 1 key as that's a diacritic mark.

phossler · 02-23-2023, 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quoth

What if you use “Book Title” rather than "Book Title"? The " is a programming quote, historically a typewriter double quote. The “, ”, ‘ and ’ has no significance to programming, but " and ' do.
Don't use the ` beside the 1 key as that's a diacritic mark.

Thanks

Know that

Tried that

Doesn't make a difference

More work to use Alt-0147 (“) than just regular old ASCII 34 (")

Some programming languages use double quotes ("") in a string to embed the ASCII 34 as part of the string literal. This works to have the correct format in [Title sort], but leaves the double quotes in the metadata edit screen

Quoth · 02-23-2023, 03:52 PM

Even before I swtiched to Linux I used the MS Keyboard editor to make the keyboard be like Linux, except Compose

Keys z x c v b
AltGr « » ç “ ”
Shift < > Ç ‘ ’
(all the printable keys having four options not just á é í ó ú of standard UK or US International)

I'm surprised “and” didn't work.

phossler · 02-23-2023, 05:09 PM

It was a good thought and the situation doesn't arise too often so I'm pretty sure I'd forget how to do it

kovidgoyal · 02-23-2023, 09:22 PM

https://github.com/kovidgoyal/calibr...5f31910c66aadb

phossler · 02-24-2023, 08:22 AM

as always !!

Wiggo · 03-18-2023, 01:18 PM

Still there in 6.14.1

kovidgoyal · 03-18-2023, 11:29 PM

Your screenshot is showing a leading quote being ignored, as expected.

Wiggo · 03-18-2023, 11:45 PM

Maybe I'm having trouble understanding at the moment, but the change log says something different, doesn't it? Leading and trailing quotes

Quote:

When computing title sorts strip leading and trailing quotes, not just leading quotes

kovidgoyal · 03-19-2023, 12:15 AM

The cahnge was an addition, earlier only leading quotes were stripped now both are stripped.

Wiggo · 03-19-2023, 01:50 AM

Maybe I'm lost, but not both are stripped, as you can see in my screenshot.

Is it because of the language, maybe?

BetterRed · 03-19-2023, 02:03 AM

Try double quotes at both ends, viz:

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BR

kovidgoyal · 03-19-2023, 02:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wiggo

Maybe I'm lost, but not both are stripped, as you can see in my screenshot.

Is it because of the language, maybe?

In your screenshot there is a opening quote in the title and no opening quote in the title sort. AKA, the opening quote has been stripped when generating the title sort, as expected. If you mean the quote in the middle of the text is not being stripped, yes there is no support for that. Only quotes at the start or end are stripped.

Wiggo · 03-19-2023, 04:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BetterRed

Try double quotes at both ends, viz:

Attachment 200464

BR

Quote:

Originally Posted by kovidgoyal

In your screenshot there is a opening quote in the title and no opening quote in the title sort. AKA, the opening quote has been stripped when generating the title sort, as expected. If you mean the quote in the middle of the text is not being stripped, yes there is no support for that. Only quotes at the start or end are stripped.

Aah, now I understand. Thx for the explanation.

Edit: Now I really understood this purpose in title_sort, sorry!

02-23-2023, 11:01 AM	#1
phossler Wizard Posts: 1,071 Karma: 412718 Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Valley Forge, PA, USA Device: Kindle Paperwhite	[Title] -> [Title Sort] doesn't like leading Quote (34) Small issue but when the title has leading quote, the Title-to-Title Sort button drops it e.g. "Book Title" becomes Book Title" Two leading quotes makes the Title Sort correct, but the metadata shows 2 leading quotes Attached Thumbnails

03-18-2023, 01:18 PM	#8
Wiggo Leftutti Posts: 399 Karma: 1121267 Join Date: Feb 2019 Location: Bavaria Device: iPad Pro, Kobo Libra 2	Still there in 6.14.1 Attached Thumbnails

03-19-2023, 02:03 AM	#13
BetterRed null operator (he/him) Posts: 20,565 Karma: 26954694 Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Sydney Australia Device: none	Try double quotes at both ends, viz: BR

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Quoth the rook, bossing Never. Posts: 11,154 Karma: 85874891 Join Date: Jun 2017 Location: Ireland Device: All 4 Kinds: epub eink, Kindle, android eink, NxtPaper11	What if you use “Book Title” rather than "Book Title"? The " is a programming quote, historically a typewriter double quote. The “, ”, ‘ and ’ has no significance to programming, but " and ' do. Don't use the ` beside the 1 key as that's a diacritic mark.

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Quoth the rook, bossing Never. Posts: 11,154 Karma: 85874891 Join Date: Jun 2017 Location: Ireland Device: All 4 Kinds: epub eink, Kindle, android eink, NxtPaper11	Even before I swtiched to Linux I used the MS Keyboard editor to make the keyboard be like Linux, except Compose Keys z x c v b AltGr « » ç “ ” Shift < > Ç ‘ ’ (all the printable keys having four options not just á é í ó ú of standard UK or US International) I'm surprised “and” didn't work.

02-23-2023, 05:09 PM	#5
phossler Wizard Posts: 1,071 Karma: 412718 Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Valley Forge, PA, USA Device: Kindle Paperwhite	It was a good thought and the situation doesn't arise too often so I'm pretty sure I'd forget how to do it

02-23-2023, 09:22 PM	#6
kovidgoyal creator of calibre Posts: 43,850 Karma: 22666666 Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Mumbai, India Device: Various	https://github.com/kovidgoyal/calibr...5f31910c66aadb

02-24-2023, 08:22 AM	#7
phossler Wizard Posts: 1,071 Karma: 412718 Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Valley Forge, PA, USA Device: Kindle Paperwhite	as always !!

03-18-2023, 11:29 PM	#9
kovidgoyal creator of calibre Posts: 43,850 Karma: 22666666 Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Mumbai, India Device: Various	Your screenshot is showing a leading quote being ignored, as expected.

03-19-2023, 12:15 AM	#11
kovidgoyal creator of calibre Posts: 43,850 Karma: 22666666 Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Mumbai, India Device: Various	The cahnge was an addition, earlier only leading quotes were stripped now both are stripped.

03-19-2023, 01:50 AM	#12
Wiggo Leftutti Posts: 399 Karma: 1121267 Join Date: Feb 2019 Location: Bavaria Device: iPad Pro, Kobo Libra 2	Maybe I'm lost, but not both are stripped, as you can see in my screenshot. Is it because of the language, maybe?

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